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Another Opinion: Whale Killed by Extinct Marine Reptile?

Posted by: Markus Hemmler on June 19th, 2014

Regarding this article here on Cryptomundo, Whale Killed by Extinct Marine Reptile?, and speculation as to the whale in question’s injuries…

Its true that we can’t examine the carcass today as the author wrote. But this doesn’t mean that nobody of the scientific community can give a definitive answer to those “bite mark” speculation. I suggested elsewhere that before he questions paleontologists instead he should question those people visible in some pictures directly near the whale. They are obviously examining it and probably can give an answer for example if those injuries are really “bite marks” (what is just a pure speculation not a fact). Or he should at least question biologists with knowledge in cetacean stranding’s. Now yesterday I read the story here and happily for the first time I also read a comment with a more probable solution. “Cryptokellie” in short wrote that those injuries are scrapes and abrasions received by being beaten against the rocks and other objects in shore. Certainly true but as I know some people out there seemingly can’t accept realistic opinions. So to put an end to the online discussion I’ve done what I’ve suggested: I wrote to the experts which have been at place…

Press-articles name veterinarians of the British Divers Marine Life Rescue (BDMLR) to have been at place. Today the administrator of the BDMLR acknowledged to me that while as much as they “would like to believe stories of prehistoric sea creatures roaming the oceans” […] “the Fin whale in St Austell had been on the beach rolling in the surf for some time and this caused the injuries.” Case closed. Move on.

Markus Hemmler About Markus Hemmler
German cryptozoologist who specializes in globsters.


8 Responses to “Another Opinion: Whale Killed by Extinct Marine Reptile?”

  1. Markus Hemmler responds:

    After some discussion yesterday I should add that my last sentences naturally should be understanded as advice. Feel free to discuss this highly speculative “bite mark case” for centuries if you feel the need for it as in all those other cases. Here are some maybe helpful pictures of a higher resolution:

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    Please note that the vets have been VERY NEAR those wounds.

  2. mandors responds:

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see any “bite marks.” Nor do I see any place where the skin of the whale appears to have been broken. I do see what look to be abrasions, none of which appear to be serious enough to be fatal.

  3. cryptokellie responds:

    To be honest, it was something of an easy call. I have lived near and vacationed at the Atlantic shore all my life (60+yrs) and have seen many beached marine animals including whales, dolphins and sea turtles. They all receive scrapes and abrasions from the surf pushing them in-shore over whatever is on the bottom at the surf-line. After a few hours of being beaten against the rocks and other in-shore items, the unfortunate animals can appear very wounded, which in fact they are…just not from Mesozoic marine reptiles. One of the sadder aspects of this is that the larger animals, whales and so forth can take a great deal of punishment from the surf and wide up on the beach after the tide recedes still alive…only to be suffocated by the their own weight pressing down on their lungs as was the case with this Fin Whale. This is truly a heart-rending event to witness and having seen it up close, it can never be forgotten.

  4. Peter Von Berg responds:

    The word is , “understood”.

  5. Fhqwhgads responds:

    “… as I know some people out there seemingly can’t accept realistic opinions.” Actually, the only person to suggest that the whale was killed by a reptile, extinct or otherwise, was the author of the post, Max Hawthorne. There was one suggestion that it might have been attacked by a killer whale, but that was (a) only offered tentatively, and (b) not an impossible occurrence, even though it did not happen in this case. It was not an unrealistic opinion. My comment was only to the effect that if one is hoping that some large aquatic predators have survived in spite of leaving large gaps in the fossil record, a whale that has been extinct for 12 million years is more plausible than a mosasaur that has been extinct for 65 million years. Other comments had to do with liking Hawthorne’s novel; no one confused it with reality.

    Are there “people out there” who “can’t accept reasonable opinions”? Absolutely! You just chose to invoke that truism where it does not apply.

  6. Markus Hemmler responds:

    Fhqwhgads, you refer my (sloppy) sentence to the discussion on Cryptomundo if I understand it correct. But this was

    a) not the only place this topic was discussed and

    b) meant more general, born from 15 years in cryptozoology beginning as a typical “monster-fan” and becoming a (imo) serious researcher, somewhat frustrated from always the “same” discussions, mechanisms and speculations. But this is leading us to another topic and so I finish it.

    Back to topic and the following opinion I’ve read elsewhere.: the vets could have been wrong (either because they don’t believe in prehistoric survivors or they had made a failure in their evaluation). No question humans can make failures. Is it probable that more than one vet, standing directly beside the whale, had made a failure in evaluating it? Something they have seen so often as this wasn’t the first and will not the last whale stranding they see? Personally I find it absolute unlikely. What’s your opinion?

  7. Fhqwhgads responds:

    OK, fair enough. You were replying to a history, not just to this one post.

    What’s my opinion? I’m a skeptic about most of what appears here. I think the odds are long against any particular cryptid being real. There will still be exciting discoveries in biology, just probably not what cryptozoologists are looking for. I very seriously doubt that Bigfoot is real, but it would be cool if he were, and the Flores hobbit certainly was real. I even more seriously doubt that there is a Loch Ness Monster, but it would be cool if there were, and there are still some shockingly big squids. The universe definitely has some surprises left for us, but I expect they are not the surprises we expect, but I keep an eye open because it might surprise me.

  8. Insanity responds:

    I think the odds that multiple veterinarians examining an injured whale and incorrectly diagnosing the wounds is quite low. Whether they believe in sea monsters or not probably would have no influence on their diagnosis of the type of injury.



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