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Erickson Project: Shocking DNA News

Posted by: Craig Woolheater on July 4th, 2011

An anonymous informant going by the name of Sasquatch tipped off Cryptomundo to this breaking story.

Just posted today!

Shocking news regarding the Erickson Project!

Is it fact or fiction?

Source: Robert Lindsay

Breathtaking News from the Erickson Project

The leaks from people close to the Erickson Project continue to come in fast and furious.

Surely, the most breathtaking news so far involves the sequencing of Bigfoot DNA. We already reported previously on the sequencing Bigfoot mitochondrial DNA, which is coming out 100% human. That means that the Bigfoot female line goes back to human females.

However, we can now report on the sequencing of the nuclear DNA from the male side. The report is that it is absolutely non-human! It is very far away from humans. In the chart below, various hominims are measured according to their distance away from humans.

Hominim spp.          Distance in polymorphisms
Neandertal               200
Denisova                 400
Bigfoot                    750?
Chimpanzee           2000

As you can see, Bigfoots are approximately 1/2 way between humans and chimps. More precisely, they are 37% of the way between humans and chimp. Also, Bigfoots are 4X further away from us than Neandertals are, and they are 2X further away from us than Denisova was.

We only have DNA from three hominids: Homo sapiens, Neandertal and Denisova. We have no DNA from Flores Man or Erectus or any of the rest. One reason for this is that DNA degrades, and it is impossible to get DNA from samples more than 50,000 years old.

Therefore, evidence indicates that Bigfoots are a hybrid species. Some “thing,” some “monster,” some “subhuman,” mated with human females somewhere in Europe possibly ~20-50,000 YBP. Shades of King Kong! What this thing is is completely unknown. It must be a hominid. It quite possibly was Homo erectus. Therefore, Bigfoots may be Erectus-sapiens hybrids.

The closest thing to an Erectus-sapiens hybrid is Heidelberg Man, or Homo heidelbergensis. This was late Homo erectus trending into archaic Homo sapiens. There is suggestive evidence that a heidelbergensis skull was found in China dated 13,000 YBP.

If Bigfoot is part-Erectus, this explains certain things. Erectus still had a midtarsal break in Europe 300,000 YBP. Erectus had a saggital crest.

It is clear by now that the Bigfoot is an ape theory lies in the dust. Bigfoot is a man, an ancient man, a blast from our ancient past, a subhuman, a human ancestor. He’s one of us, but he’s not.

In addition, we can report that the Erickson Project Bigfoot DNA study has isolated DNA from 20 separate Bigfoot individuals from around North America. They received hundreds of samples, but many were not useful.

One of the samples was called “unknown hand.” This was hand of a “something,” but no one knows what. Inside the Project, people were taking bets on what the hand was. Dr. Melba Ketchum bet that it was a bear. Others bet that it was not a bear. Ketchum never got any money from the bet. Whatever this strange object was, it was not a bear paw. No one knows what it was. Maybe it was a Bigfoot hand.

One of the samples was a bone from a stream in Oregon. It may have been a femur. The bone looks like a human bone, but it is much too large. It was submitted by David Paulides’ North American Bigfoot Search (NABS).

We also have some updates in the story about the shooting of the two Bigfoots in California in November 2010. There were two other men in the truck with the shooter at the time. At least one of the men was absolutely hysterical that the shooter shot the two Bigfoots. The other man was also not happy at all that the shooter shot the Bigfoots.

We can also report that the section of Bigfoot thigh sent to the Erickson Project DNA test was auburn haired, and it also had a lot of grey in it. This slab was from the mother Bigfoot that was shot dead. She was probably a middle aged Bigfoot, about 45 years old in human terms or about 25 years old in Bigfoot terms. Her two offspring, one of which was also shot dead, were about 5 years old in human terms or 10 years old in Bigfoot terms.

To this date, we do not know what the shooter did after he killed the two Bigfoots. However, I do believe that he took at least a piece of one of the Bigfoots with him that day, and he may have taken more, up to and including two Bigfoot bodies.

I know the name of the shooter, but for some reason, I am not releasing it right now. It can be found by industrious web sleuths who are intelligent about Internet sleuthing.The shooter has changed his story many times, and is and was very afraid he was going to jail over the killing of these two Bigfoots.

He is wise to be afraid of this, because I know some wealthy and connected people who told me that they are dedicated to seeing that this guy goes to prison over killing the Bigfoots. So if I were the shooter, I would not be straight up about this matter either. Further, I would retain a good attorney. If the Olympic Project has any sense, they will have also spoken to an attorney too, because their mitts are all over these two Bigfoots killed in mysterious circumstances.

The shooter is a narcissist and a redneck, and I don’t personally like him at the moment. I don’t know if I will ever like him. Probably not! You can tell he’s a narcissist. Just look at that smug, smarmy look in eyes in his photos. I don’t think he’s a good person. There are different kinds of hunters. Most hunters are good people, but a minority are not. You can tell who the bad ones are. You can see it in their eyes. They will shoot just about anything as long as it is not illegal. This guy has that look about him.

They have the same mindset about hunting. They basically just like to kill things because they like to kill. This is what kind of a person and hunter the shooter is. He is well known in the hunting and taxidermy community and is not well liked at all. In that community, he is thought of as a “maniac hunter.”

He could change any time he wants, quit being bad and start being good. His choice. I don’t think he will ever change though, because he is very happy being the smug prick that he is. Most of his friends are the same as he is, and so is the California woman who became his wife two years ago, who is now expecting.

Most narcissists don’t ever feel guilt about anything that they do. There are some reports that the shooter feels bad about killing the two Bigfoots. Perhaps he does. He may well have some sort of a conscience.

The Olympic Project has changed their story about this shooting several times now.

For several months after November, their line was that they never went out to the shooting site.

Then they said that they did go to the shooting site 2 weeks later, and they found a chunk of Bigfoot flesh in the snow.

Now they say that only the shooter went back 2 weeks later and found the piece of flesh.

The story about going back later and finding a hunk of flesh strikes me as preposterous, and I don’t believe it.

In addition, the OP said for a long time after the shooting, “Let’s make one thing clear! There were no two Bigfoots shot and killed!”

But after I broke the story, they changed their line to saying that a man that the OP knows well did shoot and kill the two Bigfoot. But it’s worse than that, because the OP itself shot and killed two Bigfoots.

They say he shot the first one because it was a bear and the second one because it was threatening him.

Neither report is true. The shooter knew she was not a bear. His line is he thought she was threatening him.

The shooter was a passenger in the truck. They came around a bend, and there was a Bigfoot in the road on all fours. The shooter grabbed his gun and jumped out of his vehicle. As he jumped out, he saw the Bigfoot get up on two legs and start running towards him waving her arms at him. When the Bigfoot saw the gun, she turned and started to run away. The shooter shot her in the side of the chest, and the bullet penetrated her lungs.

She crashed off into the brush and died. The three men went down into the brush and saw her there. It was then that they realized that she was not a bear at all. They walked back up onto the road.

When they got to the road, they saw two small, strange creatures running towards them, sometimes on two legs, sometimes in four legs. The shooter raised his gun, fired and shot one of the creatures dead. The other small creature apparently escaped. As the shooter cradled the dying creatures in his arms, they all three realized that it was a young creature of the same type that got shot. The shooter did not shoot the young Bigfoot because it was threatening him. Apparently he just shot it for some unknown reason. At this point, they figured out that they had killed two Bigfoots.

The two men with the shooter were so hysterical and upset about the shootings that they took the shooter’s gun away from him and pointed it at him, threatening him. They told him that if he tried to shoot another one of those animals, they would shoot him instead. The story is that everyone was so upset by that point, that they left the area. The shooter said that they left the animals in the road. The shooter said he was not going back to the area until next fall.

There is a lot of fighting inside the Erickson Project. Adrian Erickson and Melba Ketchum are not getting along well. At least one reason is that Erickson paid Ketchum $70,000 for the sequencing of six possible Bigfoot samples. To this date, he has not received results from these samples. He did receive results from one DNA test, the test he had done on himself. Most of the principals had their own DNA tested.

Erickson had an agreement with Ketchum that if his Bigfoot samples tested out as coming from real Bigfoots, they would then be used in the final writeup. One or more of his samples were from real Bigfoots, but Ketchum is apparently threatening to not include them in her paper due to their falling out. So Erickson is threatening to sue her for violating their agreement.

Erickson has also threatened to sue a couple of other folks, including Dennis Pfohl, but I am not sure of the reason. Erickson is well liked, but he is also deeply respected. At the same time, most seem like they afraid of him. He has sunk $3 million into this project, and he is not going to get it back.

One great thing to come out of the release of the Erickson Project results is that maybe Bigfoot witnesses will not be so persecuted. Roger Patterson was not an honorable man, but he did shoot a real video a Bigfoot in California in 1967. He was so hounded by skeptics that they may have driven him to an early grave.

Bob Gimlin was so upset at the hounding that he more or less retreated from the public eye for over 20 years after the shooting of the video. He only came out in 1989. Gimlin is a tough man, but all of the attacks have still hurt him. Entire books and countless articles and Internet pieces have been written about how he hoaxed the famous video.

From Canada, word comes that Bigfoots are much more common around Indian communities than around non-Indians. It seems that Bigfoots are more comfortable around Indians than around non-Indians.

Updating a previous story, a trapper in McBride, British Colombia has told people that he was kidnapped by Bigfoots, who took him back to a cave and tried to make him have sex with a female Bigfoot. It’s an updated Albert Ostman story.

Another trapper somewhere in British Colombia is living by himself way out in the woods far away from anyone else. He is reportedly nearly living with a group of Bigfoots. He sees them every single day. This may possibly be the same man who says he was kidnapped by Bigfoots. The story should be followed up.

A previous post reported on some Canadians who dug up a muskeg and found a Bigfoot bone in it. It was a Bigfoot burial ground. In northern Canada, Bigfoots use muskegs as burial grounds. This particular muskeg was in northern Saskatchewan.

About Craig Woolheater
Co-founder of Cryptomundo in 2005. I have appeared in or contributed to the following TV programs, documentaries and films: OLN's Mysterious Encounters: "Caddo Critter", Southern Fried Bigfoot, Travel Channel's Weird Travels: "Bigfoot", History Channel's MonsterQuest: "Swamp Stalker", The Wild Man of the Navidad Destination America's Monsters and Mysteries in America: Texas Terror - Lake Worth Monster.


62 Responses to “Erickson Project: Shocking DNA News”

  1. ThomasCrowley89 responds:

    Wow, I hope this is the beginning of proving the existence of squatches.

  2. hudgeliberal responds:

    Well, it is all very nice sounding and sounds very promising, however, I have learned not to get my hopes up prematurely. We will just have to wait and see what comes of all this. Let us not forget the infamous “Bugs” story. Trying to temper my excitement at this point.

  3. finfin responds:

    I would assume that there would be much to prove before charging someone of shooting a Bigfoot. I am not aware of any laws governing the killing of such, however I’m with Loren in thinking that it would only be a short time after proof of existence, before there would be laws created for their protection. That is if I got the quote correct saying that Loren made a statement to that effect. I hope that the story is not true but at least one good thing, like such a law should certainly come out of it.

    BTW: If anyone has proof of Bigfoot law, I would like to see it.

  4. D.R. responds:

    This story is all over the place. I call foul.

    Fiction.

  5. darkhb responds:

    Please. We’re supposed to take this nonsense seriously? Give me a freakin break.

  6. Kahil Nettleton responds:

    Ughhh… Its starting to seem that anyone who writes fiction about Bigfoot will get their “encounter” or “story” posted here. Anyone of sound mind will know that if any evidence that would be as ground breaking as this would be all over the news instantly.

  7. Hapa responds:

    Kind of odd that the female mitochondrial DNA was fully human, but the male was far from human. That would be like having Tiger DNA mitochondria was fully Lion, yet the nuclear DNA of the male side was far from being Lion.

    Also odd that the writer focused so much on the character of the hunter who supposedly shot several Sasquatch in California.

    A hybrid of Homo sapiens and Homo erectus: Though both species were on average not giant sized (though some individuals and populations fro both species could be very tall), hybrid gigantism is well known (mate a male lion, female tiger, you get a Liger, which is bigger than both). However, there is a recent story in the news that states that Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens actually never met each other, let alone interbred.

    And where did they get the idea that Homo Heidelbergensis was an Erectus/Sapien hybrid? Some scientists would say that they were a missing link between the two, but these beings were not as big (at least the specimens we have) nor have a pointed saggital crest head as a Sasquatch. Even Homo Erectus, if they did have saggital crests, did not have big ones. I don’t think neither had them period (i’ve seen many pics of skulls, including some from National geographic magazine, none showing a saggital crest. If its there, its not visible at first glance and therefore not Sasquatch. Paranthropus Boisei and Australeopithecus Robustus, however, both have saggital crests (and a few others. Please don’t take my acknowledgment of these species’ reality to mean that I believe in evolution by natural selection).

    I’m not going to hold my breath. I am going to pray and cross my fingers. Let’s hope this isn’t a dud.

  8. TheBeardedMan responds:

    Exciting stuff!

  9. finfin responds:

    Regardless, of the fiction or non fiction part; what would happen if someone killed a Bigfoot?

  10. Vpanoptes responds:

    I tend to agree with D.R., although my term to describe it would be more oriented toward something that is both foul and an end-product of the digestive process. A big load of it….

  11. Kahil Nettleton responds:

    @finfin – depends on where it was shot and killed. There are places where there are preventative laws on the books that make it illegal. But likely, nothing would happen in regards to the first one. There would likely be a mass passing of laws afterwards though in order to prevent nut jobs with guns from running out and trying to bag one.

  12. RWRidley responds:

    Kahil Nettleton – The Georgia Bigfoot circus negates the “news’” credibility when it comes to what they decide to cover and not cover in the crypto world. Just because they decide to give a story credence doesn’t mean it’s true.

  13. finfin responds:

    @ Kahil Nettleton

    I have not been able to substantiate any Bigfoot laws. Please name some of these places. I can’t find any places in the United States that have a law such as mentioned.

  14. Craig Woolheater responds:

    finfin,

    These laws have been discussed here in the past on Cryptomundo.

    Department of the Interior, Fish and Wildlife Service Recognize Bigfoot?

    Laws Protecting Cryptids?

    Skamania County WA Bigfoot Ordinance

    The Skamania County Sasquatch Saga

    The Skamania County Sasquatch Saga Continues

    The search function here at Cryptomundo is your friend. :)

  15. Kahil Nettleton responds:

    @RWRidley – I’m not saying that anything is being given credibility at all. I just don’t see a point in sharing what is clearly nonsense. Would hate to see Cryptomundo become the TMZ of crypto sites. I, and I am sure many others, are interested in facts…or at least something close to facts…..not bigfoot fan-fic. There should be a line drawn somewhere as to what stories get featured…not just everything that has the name of a cryptid in it.

    The only thing that can give a story credence are supporting and verifiable facts.

  16. Ragnar responds:

    An informer told him this? Really?

    Pardon me while I wait for an actual scientific report from a reputable body.

  17. gridbug responds:

    This thing reads like a fever dream. Gonna have to put it on the back burner until a more lucid telling emerges.

  18. finfin responds:

    Sorry to re-hash old discussions. It was not my intention to bore anyone with my question nor to find myself in need of defending a question. So I revoke my question. It seemed that it would be interesting at the time, but I was wrong.

    I have searched, but nothing I can find answers my initial question. That was why I said that I have not been able to find any proof of such laws. I can find rumor and innuendo of such laws, but no laws.

    Skamania County Ordinance No.69-01 was repealed and rewritten as: 1984-02 Sasquatch refuge, but was not (ever?) codified.

    Surely some such laws exist. It seems particularly possible in a couple of counties in Washington.

  19. flame821 responds:

    I don’t know. Too many changes and new embellishments to the story. The guy also seems to have an axe to grind specifically with Dr. Melba Ketchum.

    Also with the significant genetic differences between the species listed I sincerely doubt any sort of cross breeding would be able.

    And, as someone who was raised (literally) on a farm you NEVER breed an overly large male to a small female, you’re asking for maternal death. Birth canal size and the like. (Yes, sexual dimorphism aside and even then gorilla and Orangs have at most a 1.5 to 2x dimorphism rate, where as with a bigfoot you’re talking 3x or more. Primate sexual dimorphism.

    So while a human male mating with a sasquatch female would make more sense than a BF male to a human Female, it still seems that genetically it is impossible for the two to produce viable offspring.

  20. Skinwalker responds:

    I must say, this story is very interesting indeed. Hope to hear more along these lines.

  21. j stewart responds:

    First off > If a person had a bigfoot body regardless of how it died they would be instant multi millionaires. Two bodies would equal uber millions. You could hire the best lawyers money could buy and never see a day of jail time. The U.S. has a history of not jailing those who have mega money. You get rehab or probation if you got the bucks. You get jail time if you’re poor. You would have just proven the biggest mystery of all time. Not one person can claim they wouldn’t know what definate proof of sasquatch would mean. So to hide a body or two for an extended time makes little or no sense. Speaking with my friend Ken Gerhard last week, we discussed this very thing. Ken said “If you and I had a body we would personally deliver it to CNN, not hide it away” as would most anyone who actually had a body. I can say some of what is said in the article holds water but most is fluff and filler. Just wait a bit longer for Dr. Ketchum to release her findings and then we will all know the truth. Even those close to the research don’t know everything she has found and those who do are under an NDA. Until Dr.Ketchum has completed her research and is 100% satisfied will she release anything. Remember she has a very highly thought of reputation to protect.

  22. Skinwalker responds:

    I know some of the players involved in this story other than Lindsay, and I have a strong belief that much of this story is in fact true. It will come out in the wash as they say. Lindsay’s a good journalist and seems to have good sources. But he leaks everything, so no one likes him.

  23. Redrose999 responds:

    Meh, the story does read like Bigfoot fanfic. A BAD Bigfoot fanfic. We’ve got the dithering on the character of the chap who was the shooter, the poor tragic mama Bigfoot being murdered in cold blood, and they’ve even tossed in the Mars Needs Women plot for good measure…. Er ok Bigfoot needs Men but same difference. I’ve seen it in fanfic many times. What happened too imagination when it comes to these stories?

    Didn’t Biscardi do a bigfoot hand con with a pickled monkey hand? The bit about the hand reminded me of that.

    As for the samples. Well if it is legit, than they will give some to other unrelated labs and run the samples to confirm it. Then, if it is real, not some lucid fever dream, we’ll have something we can call proof.

    Until then I’m suspicious.

  24. bigfootsdad responds:

    Most likely someone has seen this, referred to this or cited this, but I found it interesting.

  25. Yukon red man responds:

    Who is this fella Robert Lindsay? What is this 45 human year old being equivalent to 25 year old SASQUATCH, where would he get that info from? Then on the same paragraph he states 5 year old human being equal to 10 year old SASQUATCH. Come on man, get your math straight to start with.

    By the way BIGFOOT is but a journalistic term to explain BIG FOOTPRINTS previously found and presented by the news medias. The right and proper terminology is SASQUATCH.

    Me thinks Lindsay is full of it.

  26. j stewart responds:

    I do know for a fact, as I am lucky enough to be inside the loop so to speak with those on Dr Ketchum’s research team, that Lindsay was in a NDA with Melba and any info he gives that gives out any of her research has opened him up to a huge lawsuit. He also is in a NDA with Erickson and unless Erickson gave this leak the OK, or its total hogwash, I would expect Lindsay to be hit with multiple lawsuits in the near future. This seems nothing more than a ploy to generate publicity for the Erickson Project so as to insure a fan base for monetary gain in the future. Kind of like when Animal Planet plays a snipet of MM saying that they have hard evidence. They are making sure they have an audience for the upcoming show.

  27. finfin responds:

    Yes I know what you mean about being a tough job to convince science, but killing one is going to be bad juju all the way around.

    I think a trap that only collects DNA samples (and photos) might need to be developed just for this job. The less painful the better. That way you may be able to get return visits and not make them shy of the traps.

  28. thylo responds:

    Erectus had a saggital crest.

    I am calling shenanigans on this statement alone.

    No hominim posessed any noteworthy saggital process, such as we see in apes and have come to expect in tales of high-peaked Sasquatch and Yeti. Reduction of cranial bone mass is part of the hominim divergence.

    Any credibility the author may have desired to engender in the reader is negated with attempting to append Sasquatch to the hominim lineage.

    To openly address the saggital question was daft… i.e. they are running a shellgame and have drawn attention to the distraction.

    /facepalm

    As for needing a carcass to finally prove their existence: yep probably so.

    But if the choice is kill one of these EXTREMELY rare beasts for our edification, or not and remain ignorant, I choose the ignorance.

    The mystery has been kind of fun. Apart from getting solid conservation in place for them, confirmation does not benefit the Sasquatch really. Killing them definitely does not benefit them.

    Better still is option three: let the beast tear the rednecks’ arms off and beat them senseless with the stumps. Maybe that will clarify how real they are for “that element”. We should cull that herd.

    And their bodies do not magically dissolve away as one poster commented… they simply have not been found. There is a large difference.

    This whole thing is Biscardi-esque. You may resume breathing, folks.

    Might as well get that Beast Legend circus on this- can’t wait to see what superfluous appendages they digitally re-create: can you say ruminant gut system with multiple rows of shearing carnassial teeth? roflmao

    cheers!

  29. Richard888 responds:

    I have three questions:

    “But after I broke the story, they changed their line to saying that a man that the OP knows well did shoot and kill the two Bigfoot. But it’s worse than that, because the OP itself shot and killed two Bigfoots.”

    1) Does this mean that the OP and the maniac hunter narcicist are the same person?

    “There is a lot of fighting inside the Erickson Project. Adrian Erickson and Melba Ketchum are not getting along well. At least one reason is that Erickson paid Ketchum $70,000 for the sequencing of six possible Bigfoot samples. To this date, he has not received results from these samples… Erickson had an agreement with Ketchum that if his Bigfoot samples tested out as coming from real Bigfoots, they would then be used in the final writeup. One or more of his samples were from real Bigfoots, but Ketchum is apparently threatening to not include them in her paper due to their falling out.”

    2) What did Erickson do to upset Ketchum other than be upset because she decided to not include the samples in her writeup?

    “She was probably a middle aged Bigfoot, about 45 years old in human terms or about 25 years old in Bigfoot terms. Her two offspring, one of which was also shot dead, were about 5 years old in human terms or 10 years old in Bigfoot terms.”

    3) So do humans age faster or slower than Bigfoot?

  30. sasquatch responds:

    I was just wanting to say that this anonymous blogger was not me…I’ve used the moniker “Sasquatch” for a long time on these boards, but don’t know who the person that authored this rather ignorant sounding bunch of garbage is.

    The whole story sounds bogus to me, and may very well be someone trying to get a TV show like Matt Moneymaker…

    I like the part in there where they mention the disagreements and threats of lawsuits between the parties; doesn’t that sound like someone trying to cover their backside for when the whole thing blows up and is shown to be bogus? I can just hear it now;”Oh, well we can’t reveal the evidence because it’s locked up as evidence for the court etc…blah, blah”…What a joke.

  31. Demian66 responds:

    Ah yes, interesting news (rumours). I am not sure what to think about those descriptions when I read things like that:

    However, we can now report on the sequencing of the nuclear DNA from the male side. The report is that it is ABSOLUTELY NON-HUMAN! It is very far away from humans. In the chart below, various hominins are measured according to their distance away from humans.

    But shortly after that:

    It is clear by now that the “Bigfoot is an ape” theory lies in the dust. Bigfoot IS A MAN, an ancient man, a blast from our ancient past, a subhuman, a human ancestor. He’s one of us, but he’s not.

    I know what the author wants to say, but somehow passages like these relativize the whole reliability of his report.

    Let’s (like always in the Cryptoworld) wait and see…

  32. mrdark responds:

    This whole lump of text is riddled with logical inconsistencies, ‘facts’ yanked out of thin air, and a great deal of general nonsense and pseudoscience.

    I can’t make this more clear: the day someone has possession of a physical sasquatch specimen, living or dead, partial or complete, we’ll know it. That day. Or within hours after. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. Possessing a sasquatch is a lottery ticket to the nth degree. Fortune and glory, like Indiana Jones. I don’t care if they come by the squatch by mowing down an entire kindergarten class, nothing will dilute the public interest and immediate fame.

  33. William responds:

    While all of this indeed has a mostly bogus ring to it, the story itself seems plausible but also sounds a bit movie-like in its sequence. However, unlike Sasquatch, (who just posted), the lawsuits and pending legal actions which are a result of people within the project “falling” out sounds very plausible to me and actually lends more credence to the story (IMO). Most folks know that something similar happened with the Patterson Film. Whenever something of extremely earth shaking proportions is involved, it somehow always brings out the worst in people, which seems to be the case here. So I am on the fence right now on this, particularly with all of the details being spouted regarding the DNA findings. It would take a lot of imagination to make this stuff up in that regard.

  34. Skinwalker responds:

    Richard888, I can answer some of those questions for you as I am close to a lot of the particulars in this case.

    1. YES, the maniacal narcissistic hunter is part of the Olympic Project!

    2. I am not sure of the reasons for the falling out, other than that Ketchum wants to make this some kind of one woman show, which is what her detractors say. Erickson’s samples are good. They represent 6 separate Bigfoots.

    3. Assuming humans age the same as Bigfoots.

  35. Paul78 responds:

    What on earth? His Hominin history is all over the place!! He seems to not realise that some of the species he’s talking about are a lineage.

    If the samples weren’t released then how come he has the results?

    How come he know so much about Bigfoot behaviour and aging?

    And what was the whole build up and destruction of the shooters character, of which the cradling a dying Bigfoot is the strangest part.

  36. William responds:

    As “mrdark” espoused on this above, and I quote, “the day someone has possession of a physical sasquatch specimen, living or dead, partial or complete, we’ll know it. That day. Or within hours after.”

    I always foresaw the revealing of a body with a public press conference with national coverage by all tv networks and media. This indeed would be world news not just national. For it to be leaked out piecemeal over the internet would be surprising but certainly not impossibly farfetched in this day and age.

  37. RWRidley responds:

    The discussion on Robert Lindsay’s blog is getting interesting if it’s authentic. One has to consider the possibility that the discussion is fabricated, not necessarily by RL. It could even be someone having some fun with the post. If it is authentic, Dr. Melba Ketchum has weighed in on the discussion. Here’s an excerpt of a comment attributed to her.

    I am really enjoying all the fiction being posted, it is laughable. I don’t even care what you say because you have no data to know anything at this point and all you have is guesses. I know where your messed up info is coming from now also so be not deceived.

  38. Kenyanthropus responds:

    Though I’ve read Cryptomundo for years, I have never posted here before. But as someone with a bit of a background in human evolution, I thought I’d comment on some of the statements made in this article. Many of them are clear misrepresentations or misunderstandings of human evolution. I’d like to point out the specific section found below:

    “Therefore, evidence indicates that Bigfoots are a hybrid species. Some “thing,” some “monster,” some “subhuman,” mated with human females somewhere in Europe possibly ~20-50,000 YBP. Shades of King Kong! What this thing is is completely unknown. It must be a hominid. It quite possibly was Homo erectus. Therefore, Bigfoots may be Erectus-sapiens hybrids.”

    First of all, Homo Erectus and Homo Sapiens are two very different species, one of which has been (presumably) extinct for tens of thousands of years. True, their ranges may have overlapped at some points in history, but there is no indication that any breeding occurred between them. Even if these two species could mate and produce fertile offspring, such breedings would be extremely rare. There would never be enough hybrids to start a whole new species.

    Furthermore, an Erectus-Sapiens hybrid would look very little like a Bigfoot. Homo Erectus looked nearly human, and could almost pass for a modern man if dressed up and walked down the street. Erectus had a bipedal gait just like ours, and nowhere near as much body hair as Bigfoot is assumed to have. Erectus’ facial features are nearly human, and its body shape almost identical to ours. A cross-breeding between Erectus and Sapiens would yield a creature looking almost exactly like one of us—and looking very different from Bigfoot.

    There are plenty of other incorrect or misleading statements in this article as well. While some individuals of Homo Erectus have a sagittal crest, for example, this crest is extremely small and nowhere near the scale of the one found on Paranthropus species. Such a crest is nearly invisible even on the skull, and would not be visible at all in a living specimen. If a Bigfoot were indeed a Homo erectus hybrid or throwback, there would be no crest atop its head whatsoever.

    Looking at the multiple inaccuracies in this article (and the unlikely-sounding story that comes along with it) I strongly doubt there’s any truth to it. As much as I’d love to see some solid evidence for Bigfoot, this clearly isn’t it. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for the future, but this isn’t what I’ve long been hoping for.

  39. 76sagi responds:

    The fact that this story covers everything from DNA evidence to sex with a sasquatch to killing a sasquatch makes me question the integrity of it. I am interested to hear more as it comes out, but can’t a well-spoken, intelligent individual be in charge of reporting this stuff? I mean… seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, use correct grammar and try to stay on point.

  40. Skinwalker responds:

    We don’t have any knowledge whatsoever of whether or not Homo Erectus or any relict hominids had body hair, or how much they had. No one knows, and there is no way of knowing.

  41. Massachusetts responds:

    I don’t know what to make of all of this. If true, even in part, it’s of course incredible. But if this is false and soon to be discredited, then please realize that all involved have pretty much pushed Bigfoot research down into the muck to a degree far lower than Biscardi could have ever hoped to accomplish. Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, I do hope “the truth is out there” and the evidence will start coming in, fast and furious, and soon.

    The whole story, though, does read as over the top. Still, I do hope for the best.

    The whole human woman / beast scenario seems like something out of the popular horror imagination, rather than science. Don’t different species after all, tend to not find each other particularly attractive and mate-worthy? Do we have an urgent desire to mate with chimps? Can we, genetically speaking? It seems very unlikely, genetically and in terms of behavior. I’m no saying impossible, but again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. I am waiting, enthusiastically, for that proof. I’ve been waiting since I was five years old, so hopefully it’s coming soon.

    As someone else pointed out, the legal rangling angle does seem like a potential smoke screen to explain why the evidence isn’t, and perhaps never will be, forthcoming, i.e., locked up in an ongoing lawsuit, never to see the light of day. But now I’m being pessimistic.

    So, amazing DNA evidence, amazing video, amazing evolutionary insights–the future looks bright. Let’s pray it stays that way!

    Thanks

  42. Massachusetts responds:

    Oh, I wanted to point out:

    Regarding H. Erectus: they tended to use fire and tools, and have organized work areas to get jobs done, as I recall. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but that doesn’t sound too much like Bigfoot, who relies on brute strength to a large degree. That doesn’t necessarily mean Bigfoot doesn’t exist or isn’t a Hominin of some kind, but I think Homo Erectus was too advanced to “be Bigfoot.” The same holds true of H. Heidelbergensis, which I believe was a precursor to Neanderthal, not modern Homo Sapiens. Heidelbergensis is thought to have crafted two well made throwing spears that were found in a coal mine in Europe: the oldest wooden objects found in archaeology. And he also used fire. So again, not the best candidate for Bigfoot ancestry.

    What ever Bigfoot is, if we assume that Bigfoots do exists and the Erickson project is on the right track, the species is more distant than the familiar Hominins we’ve grown to know and love–something older and more primitive (not to use that term derisively but rather meaning earlier and, in this case, before the advent of fire use and more advanced tool use came to the fore.)

    And since australopithecus was known to use very simple tools, that may be very old indeed.

  43. Massachusetts responds:

    @Kenyanthropus: well said! I’m rusty and wasn’t nearly as eloquent as you. I studied a lot of human evolution back in the day, but I’m a bit fuzzy now. But the “monster and the girl” approach to the post didn’t read true at all. Perhaps that’s more interpretation rather than what the scientists associated with the Erickson project are actually saying…hopefully.

    And to everyone, a friendly reminder: Our ancient ancestors were remarkable people. They were intelligent, practical and skilled at survival. They made effective tools from simple resources, they mastered fire a very long time ago (possibly as much as a million years ago some say) and they had a cultural life, including burial and probably language, at least to some degree. They were men and women, despite differences that are also obvious. They would stand out from other animals as such, though they lived very close to the land. We are the way we are because they were who they were, there is a definite connection and we owe them a lot. They were farther along then we often give them credit. They may have even had some skills, cognitive and otherwise, that we lack today, though of course we are getting speculative on that one.

    We all should keep this in mind, I respectfully suggest, as we ponder Bigfoot, and what it means to be human.

  44. Paul78 responds:

    Kenyanthropus:

    I am an archaeology student specialising in Prehistory and feel I have to correct a couple of points you’ve made.

    Homo Erectus was smaller than us and facially would not pass as a modern man as you suggest, it is Neanderthals that this quote is usually associated with.

    Except for a group of Erectus in east Asia (50,000 BP) the time between Erectus extinction and Homo Sapiens is 200,000 yrs not tens of thousands of years with heidelbergensis in between; so the only contact between the two was likely in the China region.

    Erectus didn’t have a sagittal crest.

    I feel bad correcting you as i agree his knowledge on hominin evolution is all over the place. One other thing is his use of Denisova, he seems to know a lot more than archaeologist considering this species is brand new and consists of only a finger bone and tooth; with their DNA results.

    If anyone is interested in a good book on Hominin species the main reference book we use is The Human Past by Chris Scarre.

  45. springheeledjack responds:

    I’m gonna shoot from the hip…anonymous always bugs me to no end.

    Until I hear something public come out of the Erickson Project itself, it’s not fact or bonafide. Just the rumor mill…

  46. Paul78 responds:

    Massachusetts:

    Heidelbergensis was the ancestor of both Neanderthals and humans.

    Also some commentators don’t seem to realise how advanced Erectus and Heidelbergensis was, archaeological material for both is plentiful; especially Heidelbergensis.

  47. slappy responds:

    After reading the ramblings in the original post above, I can only assume that “journalist”, as personified by mr. Lindsay has come to mean the barely-literate ramblings of someone with a petty grudge. There is nothing journalistic about that post. It’s so poorly-written that it hurt my head to finish it.

    This all seems like idiotic BS.

  48. trapper9990 responds:

    Hello out there.

    I personally don’t know whether these stories are true or not, but if they are, and it seems possible, this will definitely shake up the world. I anticipate that the Erickson project will do that anyway and soon after the species will be proved to be a reality, but that is just my opinion.

    While reading responses, i was shocked to see that a lot of people are calling the BS flag based on the fact that the maternal DNA is coming up human supposedly and that the father DNA is coming out unknown, but not homo sapien. For the record a hybrid between similar species of the homo origin can most definitely occur and since we don’t know what the father was, we cant draw opinions yet.

    Secondly, i think most of us who are familiar with bigfoot and have really read a great amount of the literature, know that their have been stories for centuries, and even more centuries before that from the Indians, that the bigfoot would occasionally take young women for the supposed purpose of providing children. When reading Tribal Bigfoot and the Hoopa Project, the author even was able to trace a relatively fresh incident of a bigfoot “rape”. First things first, if Indians are telling something as true, more than likely it is. They live on that land and know its corners and animals far better than any of us could possibly. And it seems very plausible that an animal that is very close to us would see and smell a young woman and its instincts would kick in, especially if bigfoot numbers were low. Indian women are very afraid for the most part of bigfoot and the ones that have been raped, as so documented, are very shy and ashamed to talk about it. After all who would believe them other than possibly tribe members.

    This would also explain to a slight extent why bigfoot are spotted more around reservations, they don’t feel that threatened, and possibly feel that Indians are closer to their kind. In any event, if Bigfoot exists, i am sure that any real scientist would tell you, that if the species actually was proven to exist than most certainly it wouldn’t surprise them if their hadn’t been cases of women abduction and possibly childbirths. This would explain most definitely why such a DNA result would occur. Especially if this trend has occurred throughout history.

    I’m sure many will disagree, but these stories come up all over Indian history and they persist today, and i personally don’t believe that it has been a tall tale. But I could always be wrong.

    Have a good one.

  49. Hapa responds:

    “Some “thing”, some “monster”, some “subhuman” mated with human females in Europe possibly 20-50,000 YBP.”

    I have to add this passage from the Bible. Seeing this just makes me want to add some spice to this discussion:

    “When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the Sons of God saw that these daughters were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
    ‘Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with human beings forever, for they are mortal; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”
    ‘The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the Sons of God went to the daughters of human beings and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.”

    -Genesis, chapter 6, verses 1-4

    “Sons of God” Bene Elohim in Hebrew, a term for angel. Corresponds to phrase “Sons of the Gods” in ancient near eastern non-Biblical writings, meaning divine beings.

    “Nephilim”: Race of giants whose name Nephilim means “The fallen ones”, which make their appearance after the flood as well, in the land of Canaan (see spy report in Numbers 13, pay special attention to verse 33).

    I am NOT saying that the Nephilim are Sasquatch (though in the book “True Giants” by Loren Coleman and Mark Hall, the giants of ancient Israel are linked by them to Gigantopithecus/True Giants): just an interesting comparison.

  50. dermal_ridges_are_proof responds:

    Back on topic.

    The most mind numbingly ridiculous, unsubstantiated, sloppy, ad-hoc, and amateurish, plate of tripe ever served up for us to swallow! It’s a pretty sad endeavour on the part of someone to try and deceive in this manner. But at least it’s easy to see through.

    I think it would be wise now to take a step back and see this in it’s entirety for what it is!

    Obviously someone who is clearly a halfwit is having fun trying to undermine and discredit Dr Melba Ketchum and the Erickson Project.

    That’s my obvious take on this one.

    Thei’es most definitely a ‘bad apple in the barrel’ and whoever is responsible for this dodgy bilge; needs exposing in public; if you know what I mean.

    …and I will say it even if no one else will: given the melodramatics of the ever-changing ‘Shooter story’ and the risible nature of the science provided; this does not reflect at all well on Robert Lindsay, who seems not to be letting what few facts he has, get in the way of a ‘good story’.

  51. Hapa responds:

    I just want to be clear, however: Don’t shoot unless you know what you are shooting at. If it attacks like a beast (such as if the noisemaker sends it into a frenzy), then you would have no choice, and it would be the preferred method of killing it (assuming the noisemaker idea could work).

    But be careful.

  52. Opalman responds:

    @Yukon red man

    Thank you for bringing the issue of terminology to our attention.

    You are exactly correct, the use of the word “bigfoot” should remain the journalistic slang that it is. On this site; why would we not want to use the correct, universally accepted term “sasquatch” in referring to the creature of great scientific interest to us. Since we like to think we are at least somewhat informed and scientifically bent, lets sound that way in the vocabulary we use. ATTENTION PLEASE MODERATORS.

  53. Redrose999 responds:

    I trotted over to Robert Lindsay’s page and realized something rather interesting. The arguments about the DNA from “Richard” and “Dr Ketchum” seem to be more about what they’ve found, rather than it being faked, or hoaxed. The only hoaxed or questionable thing they seem to agree on is the stories on how the evidence was gotten.

    Maybe I am reading it wrong, but it strikes me they are fighting over the discovery, what it means and in the end it’s about who will get credit for it (although that is not said specifically but it is hinted by their argument). This is typical in science. Of course it could be staged, or they all could be reading too much into their finds.

  54. bigfoots responds:

    I like Homo-Nocturnus

  55. Paul78 responds:

    trapper9990:

    None of the Ape’s known today can’t not reproduce even if they did mate, the whole humans smelling similar to Bigfoot and them using women to bolster their species is absurd; no species has used another in this way.

  56. Opalman responds:

    After reading the latest account (above) of what transpired at the kill scene I’m even more incredulous regarding the story as related by Robert Lindsay.
    I suppose its very difficult to understand the atmosphere that surrounds sport hunting. Perhaps this post will shed some light onto what might be termed the “brotherhood” of sportsman which includes sport as well as subsistence hunters. I base this on a lifetime of ethical hunting, (which for the unenlightened might very well seem an oxymoron) as well; a lifetime of camaraderie with fellow sportsmen; some of which took place in small sporting goods shops, shooting meets,
    and taxidermy shops etc.

    The vast majority of hunters are good people which for whatever reason and very often due to a profound hereditary predisposition towards the hunter gatherer activities / life style, enjoy the great outdoors on a far deeper level than the typical weekend backpacker or hiker etc. Were this not so the average outdoorsman would live in the city and commute to the wilderness instead of the opposite being the case. The folks I’m referring to have to live adjacent or in the wilderness…they have to, they would perish emotionally and spiritually in a metropolitan setting. These same folks though have the same need for a network of friends and acquaintances as the normal metropolitan does. Hence the “clubhouse”, the taxidermy facility, the gunshop the shooting range and diner or truckstop. Yet as in any sociological setting; a hierarchy of participants is established. Unlike many “cliques”, usually in this case it’s the guy with the most honest integrity as measured by his success in business, his personal veracity and reputation and / or reputation in the workplace alongside his or her success in the field. (hunting/survival, trapping etc.). These same cliques show little sympathy for the liar, the boaster or charlatan of any description. I’ve seen guys publicly humiliated by such a group for just opening their mouths. This would include guys that brag about how many kills they made as well guys (or gals) that broke any of the tenements of proper hunting protocol, such as using an inappropriate weapon, not respecting the rules of fair chase, the killing of any animal with offspring, not being 100 % absolutely sure of your target before touching the safety, not abiding by conservation measures / laws and of course the taking of any animal wantonly, i.e. not utilizing the meat, hide etc. For real hunters the taking of any animal is a bittersweet experience and is not usually taken lightly. Many hunters have little ceremonies they conduct to celebrate the sanctity of the quarries life now extinguished. I for instance have several I use depending on the animal and circumstances, such as placing a sprig of hemlock in-between the deer’s teeth—often attendant; a few brief tears. The real world of hunting is to a great degree self policing, any game warden or conservation officer will attest to this fact.

    The Bear Hunter as described by Lindsay is that of an individual who would not be welcome among any group of outdoorsmen or hunters. This in contradiction to Lindsay’s account. Yet to be explained is why he was allowed by his friends to shoot in the first place—wouldn’t of happened should I have been there. And again why would he be hunting there with a 25.06 in the first place? I reiterate: this smells of someone’s imagination, someone not experienced with the subject matter and its implications in the real world of hunting.

  57. Craig Woolheater responds:

    Paul78,

    That’s at least a triple negative by my count.

    Not sure what it is exactly you are stating…

  58. lancemoody responds:

    I have decided to check in on this story again in a year. I willing to bet anyone 10 to 1 that it will still be nothing.

    The psychological component of why people propagate such piffle is the only thing interesting about this stuff.

    The idiocy of giving the proponents of such stupid and dull fiction the benefit of the doubt is always amusing.

  59. Know it all responds:

    Nothing new. A co-worker of mine insisted that it was documented that an American male kept a female chimpanzee as an exotic pet, got regularly randy with her (that’s another subject applicable to certain of the rural raised) and lo and behold she got pregnant. It was not made clear IF the pregnancy had in fact miscarried/spontaneously aborted or unnervingly “came to term”.

    Then you have reports of European “Wildmen” within even the past Century still abducting human females, keeping them in a cave with a barrier rolled over the mouth to deter escape, bringing them mostly orchard raided fruits for liquid refreshment every day and ahem “having their way with them”.

    Nazi “Dr. Mengele” scientist types regularly injected the “seed” of all manner of beasts into the genitals of Jewish women in the camps to see what possible “sub-human” hybrids they could possibly breed, not to mention the Kaiser’s colonial dream & Stalin’s totalitarian dream of building a hybrid ape-man labor force or army respectively.

    No doubt some of this if successful to any degree is still classified material along with many other other secrets from WW2.

    The accumulated evidence from eyewitness artistic recreations of encounters, the painting by the Russian researcher of the animal he witnessed (Almas?) & the NASI and other enhancements of the side facial profile of the Patty subject in the Patterson film indicate on average an appearance halfway between a gorilla and a brutish looking human quite often with a pronounced saggital peak. That makes the hybrid typical bigfoot barely appear to be on the ape-ish side of a giant morph of Australeopithecus Robustus or something akin. That is the hybrid with already varying levels of past generational interbred human female genetic contamination. The evidence does NOT support Homo erectus type as being the distant male “ape-like” creature that interbred with early Homo Sapiens to produce something approaching a proto-Neanderthal appearance.

    The smallest Adult size female Southern Swamp Ape reported to be killed was nearly 7 feet tall and over 400 lbs. with pronounce eye brow ridges, solid hair covering and non-human teeth. Homo Erectus skulls have virtually no saggital crest and very human looking robust teeth. Tigers and lions interbreeding produce hybrids weighing at most double the weight. They do not produce 12 foot tall three thousand pound male true giants with no neck above the shoulders, of double or triple human male body builder proportional physique, with often reported non-human teeth and in the Midwest reported as in certain locals having a divergent big toe sticking out sideways & being 12 to 16 feet tall. Perhaps these isolated pockets are the remarkably free from human female DNA contamination source type that crossed the Bering Land Bridge.

  60. Paul78 responds:

    Most interbreeding does not happen naturally, for example mules and Ligers are products of man. At this time i can think of only two natural cases of interbreeding, Neanderthals and Humans both share the same ancestor and the other is Growler bears which have occured as Polar Bears have moved south and breed with Grizzlys, this is because again Polar Bears are descended from a bottlenecked group of Brown bears that became the founder species that evolved into Polar bears. These have happened through contact with a similar enough species.

    The point being it is difficult to except that a species such as bigfoot would forcibly take humans who are clearly visibily different, it just goes against evrything to me.

  61. Know it all responds:

    Not so, and I do hope the moderators bear with me so the obvious facts can be stated once and for all as delicately & briefly as possible. Even quadrapeds of far greater physiological differences than man will not infrequently attempt mating behavior with humans, even if having never witnessed mating behavior of its own species, or that of another species. Modern female scientists & primate researchers routinely tell of male chimpanzees & orangutans becoming sexually arroused & attempting mating with them, sometimes having to be rescued by male co-workers.

    Example: canines mounting a man’s leg… let alone canines naturally(?) attempting the mounting of partially exposed human females who give off sexual pheromones detected much more dramatically by the far greater olfactory senses of animals when human females for whatever circumstance are down on their hands and knees. Such as Half-naked Indian maidens digging for roots on their hands and knees back in the Pre-Columbian days of North America. The ancient Amerindian traditions say that “Sasquatch like the smell of virgins”.

    The historical record from all cultures is replete with accounts that once an animal has had a sexual encounter with a human (from the Roman Arena to Religion Codes) the animal will desire to attempt it again repeatedly – partly explaining why animals were also killed for sexual interaction with human beings. Even certain human males are reported to find caricatured cartoons of human females sexually arrousing such as “Jessica Rabbit”/anime which of course are of substantial qualatative difference from flesh & blood human females.

    Enough on that.

    So what do we likely have?

    The ancient navigational maps copiled from more ancient map sources originating thousands of years BC indicate a Bering Land Bridge connection between current Alaska & Siberia of one thousand miles wide. So along with other gigantic Pleistocene Megafauna we have the more or less somewhat bipedal Gigantopithecus of China & the giant man-eating 12′ tall saggital crest form of the Yeti lone males driven out by the Alpha males or in small mated family pods bumbling their way into North America. The much weaker females have a higher mortality in childbirth & are easier prey for Cave Bears, Sabre-tooths, Dire Wolves, Panthera Atrox etc. thus leaving male lone Giganto & Yeti etc. with “eat, sleep, reproduce” drive. These creatures encounter a much more numerous population density of pre-Archaic Mound Builder hunter/gatherer Indians, Clovis Culture & North European & Scandinavian proto Early Bronze Age colonies looting as much as a half a million tons of Michigan pit mine copper with pre-Archaic Mound Builder Indian trade labor for shipping & barging along the Greenland Ice Cap back to Europe, Africa & The Middle East along with Druid/Stonehenge culture Tin mined in England.

    What do you think happens when these lone male brown & black haired Megafauna bipedal animals encounter half naked smaller bipedal weak easily obtained brown & black haired bipedal Archaic Mound Builders, Clovis Culture, North European/Scandinan traders, who like the Phoenicians, brought women along for sexual use, colonization, & breeding children for child sacrifice “to appease the gods” for favorable commerce & voyages.

    Perhaps in most all cases the mating didn’t result in pregnancy, perhaps in a few cases it resulted in infertile offspring such as the mule, and perhaps in the very rare case of fertile mules, the human-Giaganto/Giant form of the Yeti hybrid WAS fertile… resulting in what we have today in North America.

  62. Opalman responds:

    The implantation of ape sperm in a human donor female as reported above never happened.
    In the 1920’s the Russian biologist Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov devised a series of experiments to create a chimp / human hybrid but it never ended in a pregnancy. In 1929 he attempted to inseminate a Ukrainian woman volunteer but this experiment ended in failure early due to his last orangutan dieing before sperm could be harvested and ultimately the entire protocol fell into harsh and widespread criticism by the Russian government. In fact Ivanov was exiled to Kazakh where he found work in a veterinary clinic until his death a couple of years later. In spite of modern folk-pseudoscience a viable pregnancy of a primate and a human has never been verified. Recently a made for television docudrama has featured the exceptional chimpanzee “Oliver”, raising the question of human / chimp hybridization once again but to the programs credit; the reports of “Oliver” being more than a chimp were discounted. Again; there has never been a rDNA (or nDNA) verified case of Ape /human hybridization.

    Indeed; If you’re going to make fantastic statements and present them as fact…lets all see the facts surrounding the issue or subject, or the evidence.

    Speculating on any topic such as this; and, as well, writing as if certain anecdotal unverified, uncorroborated reports of 7’ swamp apes, Neolithics abducted women etc. were a foregone fact is counterproductive to all areas of science and contrary to any scientific method. There are too many folks out there looking for any means possible to discredit the field of cryptozoology. Lets not give them additional warranted reason to dismiss our writings as so much illogical fantasy.



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