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$17 Million For Baby Bigfoot

Posted by: Loren Coleman on September 11th, 2006

Have you heard that the young Bigfoot caught in Maine has been sold to a mystery buyer for $17 million dollars? Don’t laugh. Yet. That’s what I’m being told has happened. When a Vegas casino or secret international corporation announces they have a baby Bigfoot in the near future, I don’t want anyone to say they weren’t informed here first!

Baby Bigfoot

The capture and transportation of a baby Bigfoot (a/k/a "Yarwen" – whatever that is) would not have been an easy activity to accomplish. Above is part of the relocation, imagined, comically but sadly, by Peter Loh.

Okay, okay, your credulity has been challenged, right? You think I have gone over to the darkside or at least the tabloid side of cryptid-reporting, humm? Well, consider this. In the role of a reporter, one should convey to you what is being fed to the media without taking in everything, hook, line, and sinker, correct? Besides, this baby Bigfoot is "breaking news," if you know what I mean, and someone is putting a lot of energy into developing the plot. Therefore, with no value judgement tied to whether this material is worthless or informative, here is what is known, up to this point.

In the end, could this be an interesting critical analysis experience? Is there a kernel of reality in any of this? Or can we at least understand that the first step in exposing a hoax is sharing all the data from various sources, in one place?

Perhaps lessons to learn are there in the future. For now, here’s a summary of what I’ve gathered, from interviews and emails, arranged in a third-person timeline to try to make sense of this, if there is any sense to be made. Hopefully, the revelations seen in this timeline may be instructive and assist each of us in deciphering this together.

Chronology of Baby Bigfoot Capture Story

August 22, 2006: The date of an alleged Maine-based "baby Bigfoot" sighting is posted in a webstory.

August 26, 2006: Informant "New Jersey B" receives an email from "Tuck Hayes" of New Jersey saying: "Who do I contact to sell a Bigfoot body? I will have a complete body to sell soon. The bidding starts at $1,000,000.00 tax free. It will go to the highest bidder." ("New Jersey B" is a BFRO investigator who shares this email with Loren Coleman after September 4th.)

August 28, 2005: The “General Hunting Season” for Bear in the State of Maine opens and runs through November 25, 2006. Hunters are allowed “one bear” per season, with a license.

September 1, 2006: Email reveals to Loren Coleman that two Bigfoot are allegedly confronted in "north woods of Maine" at "dawn on Friday." One of the Bigfoot is said to be 8.5 ft tall with orange-brown hair is killed and buried. Another Bigfoot called a "cub" – said to be 3.5 tall, weighing 121.5 pounds, and docile – is captured. Informant, "dominick perez" says this is "no hoax."

September 1, 2006: This young Bigfoot (called "Yarwen" by this individual) is reportedly transported back to New Jersey via restraints, using handcuffs on a rollbar. (This information comes out in later emails when "perez" writes Loren Coleman: " i drove the thing all the way home in the back of my truck handcuffed to the roll bar.")

Handcuffs

Handcuffs? If the individual is truly linked to law enforcement work, he might have naturally had some with him. But would they be useful in restraining a baby Bigfoot?

September 2, 2006: Loren Coleman receives an email on this Saturday, offering a first look at the young Bigfoot. But no information is given about the writer or the Bigfoot’s exact location, and no confirming photographic proof is shared. The emailer, "dominick perez" is determined to be "psychologically erratic" in emails.

September 2, 2006: A million dollars is "no enough money" for the emailer, but person signs himself as "dominick perez" wishes to have Loren Coleman represent him anonymously for much more. He wants "$100,000 for photos which you can come and take." This "perez" claims he will "list the creature on ebay with an opening bid of $10,000,000" and he "will give" Loren Coleman "10% of whatever we eventually get, and you will have the honor of breaking the story."

September 2, 2006: Although emails are signed "dominick perez," the person says that "’dominick perez’ is not my real name."

September 3, 2006: After trying to calmly talk to "perez," during a flurry of Sunday emails, Loren Coleman gets this message – "i’ll tell you what… look on ebay in about a week and you will see a live video. i will give the exclusive story to one of your competitors..[and]…check ebay periodically and you will have all the photo evidence you need. this ends my communications with you."

September 4, 2006: New Jersey "perez" ends emails and thus Loren Coleman is released from any "confidentiality," so the first of two "Yarwen" columns are written on Cryptomundo.

September 4, 2006: After the Cryptomundo item is published, backchannel communication to Loren Coleman are of two kinds, (a) Bigfoot contactees who wish to talk to "perez," and (b) investigators who volunteer to backtrack the ISP on "perez." Bigfooter "Dan" quickly discovers that "perez" lives in Paterson, New Jersey. Sasquatch detective Steve Kulls discovers that "perez" who says that is not his name actually has an email address that is owned by "Dominick J Perez…Paterson, NJ," who has an internet footprint of dental and health insurance "recommendations" to others in chatrooms and on email lists.

September 4, 2006: "New Jersey B" uses the Perez email address, which was shared with him by Loren Coleman for identification purposes only, to directly email Perez.

September 4, 2006: Perez writes back to "New Jersey B." His email contains the following info: "yes indeed i have the beast in my possession…if a woman can sell a piece of grilled cheese in the image of the virgin mary for thousands imagine what this is worth. my fee for viewing the creature and photographs is $100,000….we can sell that but the cub is going nowhere for less than 10 million."

September 4, 2006: Perez writes "New Jersey B" that he (Perez) works "in law enforcement. if you want to see this thing it will be done on MY terms. i risked my life to capture this thing not you. i cannot believe this. i would think that you would be jumping through hoops at the prospect of being able to validate your research. would you like me to mail you a hair sample that you can have tested?"

September 5, 2006: Tim Cassidy and others tell Loren Coleman about Andy Davis’ August 22 posting about a "baby Bigfoot." Filmmaker Andy Davis is producing an indie film about a young Sasquatch.

The text of the "August 22, 2006" sighting posted is:

Over the past week, while in pre-production for our latest film, we learned that a Baby bigfoot was found in Maine…which happens to be the state we live in…and also happens to be the one of the subjects of our next film. As we speak, we have assembled a team of hunters that will be working around the clock for the next few days to see if they can "drag one in" for us…I think we’re going to be successful in our venture. Check back soon for more updates and evidence on baby bigfoot.

Davis discusses in several conversations and confirms on September 5th to Lore
n Coleman that what was posted was really about the Turner "Mystery Beast" before Davis understood the initial reports were merely about a dead dog killed on Route 4. Someone mistakenly told Davis about the Turner "dead body" find by using the phrase "baby Bigfoot." It turns out to be an unfortunate mistake, as Andy Davis feels wrongly accused of being behind a publicity stunt for his new movie. He knows nothing about Perez or the New Jersey story, and no emails link to him.

September 6, 2006: Perez emails "New Jersey B" – "i found one of you competitors who was wise enough to take me up on my generous my offer. he has seen the creature (he actually fainted!), a 10 minute video has been made and you will see a huge announcement in the coming days. you blew it. i believe deep down you have no faith in your ‘research’. you don’t really believe they exist. you have seen countless disappointments and hoaxes and you have given up on believing. nowit has cost you millions and the legitimacy and recognition you so desperately seek. that honor has been granted to another. you losers profess to be cryptozoological investigators but you’re naught but a bunch of frauds. no wonder people think you are a bunch of [deleted profanity] nuts. you aren’t even intelligent enough to cash in on a sure thing.

September 6, 2006: Perez says "this competitor" whose "name you will soon know" has no respect for other Bigfoot researchers.

September 9, 2006: Loren Coleman receives a new email, which says, "loren you fool! …you were given a once in a lifetime chance to see a live one (Bigfoot)? you passed up a killer offer… the…captured…bigfoot… sold..to a mystery bidder for 17 million. you could of had 1.7 mil! anyway, the body of an adult (Bigfoot) is buried on the northermost banks of the royal river. wanna go a diggin’?"

Is this merely a new "captive Bigfoot" story from you know who?

Rollbar

Commenters have assumed using a rollbar to restrict the movement of the baby Bigfoot would have exposed the creature to being seen by the public, but some rollbars are inside of vehicles.

About Loren Coleman
Loren Coleman is one of the world’s leading cryptozoologists, some say “the” leading. Certainly, he is acknowledged as the current living American researcher and writer who has most popularized cryptozoology in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Starting his fieldwork and investigations in 1960, after traveling and trekking extensively in pursuit of cryptozoological mysteries, Coleman began writing to share his experiences in 1969. An honorary member of Ivan T. Sanderson’s Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained in the 1970s, Coleman has been bestowed with similar honorary memberships of the North Idaho College Cryptozoology Club in 1983, and in subsequent years, that of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, CryptoSafari International, and other international organizations. He was also a Life Member and Benefactor of the International Society of Cryptozoology (now-defunct). Loren Coleman’s daily blog, as a member of the Cryptomundo Team, served as an ongoing avenue of communication for the ever-growing body of cryptozoo news from 2005 through 2013.


91 Responses to “$17 Million For Baby Bigfoot”

  1. bigsassy responds:

    When he says it was sold to a mystery bidder is he implying that an auction took place? If so is/was there a link? I really don’t know why I am asking because this is all clearly BS.

  2. ddh1969 responds:

    I really hope this isn’t true. It sounds like an updated version of King Kong only with baby Bigfoot…

    I want this to turn out just like all the other ‘episodes’ of the last few months…totally fruitless.

    Moreover, I’m sick and tired of these people and their lies…it should be a law if something of this magnitude is proven to be a hoax there should be prison time involved…it’s just sick no matter how this turns out…it’s only a matter of how much so…

    Later
    D

  3. kittenz responds:

    You can’t sell live animals on eBay.

  4. shumway10973 responds:

    Even though just about anything can be sold on ebay, I do believe that once the “proof” is on the site, those in charge of keeping things legal would quickly yank it off and there would be some commotion about this whole thing. Besides, unless he is drugging this baby, I don’t know how this guy is keeping his neighbors from calling the police. Think about–all big foot encounters have one thing in common, they stink. Add to that the fact that their calls are louder than most city decibel laws allow.

  5. msouliere responds:

    The thing that gets me is that this guy is making a very strange assumption that all cryptozoologists have $10M at their disposal, and for them to turn down this “opportunity” means that they have no faith in cryptozoology. ??!

    “Erratic” is right!

  6. Loren Coleman responds:

    Don’t be distracted by Perez’s first initial email comments.

    Neither an auction nor the use of eBay seems to be part of the new “mystery buyer” story, but more of a word-of-mouth, face-to-face kind of deal.

    If there has been an attempt to defraud someone, it would be a crime.

    It is doubtful that the creation of a victimless hoax would be seen as activity that could be turned into prison time.

    Taking an animal from Maine, without a season, however, might be.

    Mistreating a baby Sasquatch with cuffs, certainly could be.

  7. Lupus responds:

    Sit back and wait is the only option, I think. One is tempted to research this bit further, if possible, but eventually, the outcome will present itself. Within a week or so from now, if you’ve heard or seen anything, it might be true. If not, it’s certainly a hoax, as you can’t expect this – if real – to remain hidden for long.

  8. LaFlamme responds:

    This is a compelling saga with all sorts of ancillary lessons to be learned along the way. However, I still think this Perez should go back to his various insurance schemes and frauds. He reminds me of a guy who, a hundred years or so ago, would have been bilking grieving windows out of life savings to pay their deceased husbands’ way out of purgatory. The wretch.

  9. Sky King responds:

    “It is doubtful that the creation of a victimless hoax would be seen as activity that could be turned into prison time.”

    I totally agree, Loren. No victim, no crime. P.T. Barnum, however, is alive and well…

  10. sasdave responds:

    Well the plot thickens and the questions continue. I’m glad I didn’t have to shoot one and sell its baby to prove they (sasquatch) exist. I know they exist I don’t need to pay $100,000. to 10 million to believe. Hope the sasquatch killer is happy with his new wealth; because I’ve lost respect for so called law inforcement who can murder and brag about it and getaway with it. As I said before hope the story isn’t true.

  11. thescribe responds:

    Of course, I want it to be true. But why does my home state of New Jersey have to be involved. Always the butt of a joke!

  12. kittenz responds:

    Well, if there IS anything to this cockamamie story, and “Perez” really did shoot a Bigfoot and capture its young, he probably wouldn’t be guilty of a crime, assuming his gun was legal & he wasn’t in a protected area, etc. It would be a moral outrage, sure, but unless Maine has laws on the books naming Bigfoot as a protected species, it probably is not something for which he could be prosecuted. Unless the killing was done in an inhumane way, or the living animal was treated inhumanely, he would probably be in the clear there, no matter how reprehensible we would consider his actions. And if he REALLY had a baby Bigfoot, unless Bigfoot is a protected animal in Maine, he could probably legally sell it for whatever he could get out of it. Sure, states have laws regulating interstate transport of live animals, but I seriously doubt Bigfoot being on any list of “Allowed” or “Disallowed” animals under any such law, since it is not officially recognized as even existing.

    That is assuming that there is anything “real” to this story … which is most highly unlikely.

  13. twocentsworth responds:

    You gotta love this Dominick “Bubba” Perez guy! At least $17,000,000 worth of love! Who knows how this saga will turn out — stay tuned!!!! I’m sure if there is even an ounce of truth in this story, the investor will be anxious to recoup his $$$ quickly. At 5% annual interest, seventeen million dollars costs $2,328.77 per day. I doubt there are many Bigfoot Researchers or Cryptozoologists that can stand that payment accrual for very long.

  14. Unknown Primate responds:

    Time will tell… I reckon.

    Oh boy…

  15. MrInspector responds:

    If it is true, someone should see to it that charges are brought against this “Mr. Perez” for poaching. He illegally removed a wild animal, possibly dangerous, from its habitat and transported it across state lines. If his story is indeed true, he’s commited a federal crime.

    Sounds a great deal like BS to me though. I wonder which of Mr. Coleman’s “competitors” can afford to shell out the $17 mil? I wasn’t aware there was THAT kind of money in Cryptozoology. Who’s hiring? I can carry bags, make coffee, light fuses… ;)

  16. pandafarmer responds:

    I would think if one had 17 million to spend on something like this, they would have hired the best team money could buy and scour Bigfoot Country rather than something like this.

    Even if this does pan out, this guy will obviously come down in history as an obnoxious money grubber than someone interested in science.

  17. dbard responds:

    Anyone care to place a wager on Biscardi being involved?

  18. mkmarasch responds:

    If this is true, I feel very sad for the baby and the dead adult. However, if the guy was looking for money, why did he bury the adult and leave it there without even getting pictures or anything? This man is very strange no matter what the outcome is.

  19. fredfacker responds:

    I personally can’t wait to see a baby bigfoot on display with GoldenPalace.com shaved into its fur!!!

  20. oldbutnotstupid responds:

    Gee I think we have enough of this BS to fertilize the praries of both Canada and the USA now. Why people like to pull stunts to try and make good sites look bad is beyond me. too much time on their hands or too little common sense, I suppose.

  21. Kimble responds:

    Buried on the north bank of the Royal River??!!!

    Didn’t I say on Sept 3rd “I bet he thought he was in the “deep north woods” when he got beyond Portland.”

    True enough!

    Y’know, I thought I smelled something a little off last month. I assumed the SAPPI paper mill in Westbrook was back in production.

    Loren, has anyone checked out the caves on Bradbury Mountain?

    It is to laugh.

  22. frostea responds:

    this is soo rediculous….a baby big foot in a New Jersey home.
    it like saying i captured a bear cub handcuffed it and drove home. lol
    you should of had him mail you some hair samples.

  23. geaux jeaux responds:

    This guy is nothing but a scam artist. First of all, if the story was true, he doesn’t even have a clue of what the bigfoot he killed would of been worth. If he’s involved in law enforcement, I hate to be in the town that hires people like him who can’t spell, or use simple sentences.

  24. sausage1 responds:

    Poo, what’s that?

    Pigs, is it? Sheep?

    No, I know what it is! It’s BS!

  25. twocentsworth responds:

    *MrInspector*, I can’t really add much to what *kittenz* had to say about the legality or illegality of what might be going on here regarding the possible capture/killing of Bigfoot(s). I will say that *kittens* is right on the money though. While I condemn what our friend Dominick “Bubba” Perez claims to have done. I would be fairly certain that no existing laws protect Bigfoot from predation by humans – at least none that couldn’t be successfully challenged in court. Officially, the animal does not exist. From a government perspective, they won’t protect something of this nature until solid, irrefutable evidence proves its existence. That is why “Cryptozoology” does exist – to look for and prove the existence of yet unknown species. And then, once the cryptozoologists have successfully done their job, maybe if we are lucky, some protection can be afforded to animals such as Bigfoot. Until then, “Bubba” gets to hunt.

  26. Shihan responds:

    So sick of fake, fraud, idiots!!!!

  27. Hawgzilla responds:

    My understanding of Maine game laws is that in order to “harvest” any sort of game legally, you have to do so during the “open season” on whatever particular animal you are harvesting. If there are no “open seasons” for the animal in question and you’ve harvested it, you’ve broken the law.

  28. Who Me responds:

    Malaysian Baby Bigfoot Update

    I thought this was interesting in light of Loren’s post

  29. Lupus responds:

    I do wonder why he buried the mother. A body and a live infant, that would mean an even bigger profit, and that does seem to be his only motive.

    Another thing: You shoot and kill the mother, then you have to dig a hole to bury the mother, a huge creature (how did he get the body in there?) and in the mean time, there’s a distraught infant (how exactly did he capture the infant?). I’m assuming he did not use and tranquilizer, so he has to dig a large enough hole, carry a heavy specimen and all along, there’s an upset infant with him. Assuming other specimens are in the area, wouldn’t they have reacted to the child?

    Of course, I have no idea how this supposedly took place, but there’s room for a lot of questions.

  30. jamesrav responds:

    Definitely as wacky as any Art Bell ‘tale’ from years past (the “Alien in the freezer” hoax is hard to beat though).

    So the mystery buyer has a baby bigfoot, no doubt hidden away like some stolen Rembrandt painting, never to be heard from again. Very convenient (albeit simple) conclusion to the saga from Mr. Perez.

  31. Lee Pierce responds:

    Loren, I know you are the consumate professional and being called a fool by a real fool probably doesn’t bother you too much. I’m NOT a professional and it pi$$es me off when an idiot calls someone of your stature a fool. Too many tiny minded nitwits in this world.

  32. Jos Gagné responds:

    I have a proposition for you guys : I just captured a chupacabras in my backyard with a garlic smothered goat slow-roasted over a pit fire, aiming at it with a spitball shooter and binding it with elastics. My asking price is a bizillion dollars, or the state of Alaska in exchange (for just a glimpse!). With my money, I will devise a plan to rule the world by hypnotizing people in babbling ‘I’m a gullible fool… I’m a gullible fool….’
    Yeah, the guy sounds as corny as what I just invented off the top of my head (what can I say, I’m a student with wayyyy too much imagination).
    -Jos

  33. Esther responds:

    Hmm, why do I get the feeling that the Bigfoot investigator that was “given” the big break at announcing the capture of the alleged Bigfoot is none other but TB? You know who I am talking about guys.

    I’ll believe it when I see it, but honestly I think this is just some nut looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Time will tell I guess, and if it is true, I hope this person is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If this Perez person is really in law enforcement, then I feel sorry for him if he is locked up with some of the criminals he put in the jailhouse!

  34. Loren Coleman responds:

    Why is there an assumption that the Bigfoot that Perez supposedly “slew” is a female or even a mother? It could be a male, a father, a brother.

  35. twocentsworth responds:

    Every state in the union has fish and game laws. Those laws only apply to legally recognized game animals, varmints, and pests, and fish, to include “protected” species. Bigfoot just ain’t one o’ dem! Talk with any state game biologist or enforcement officer and I will bet they have no protocol to deal with the killing of a Bigfoot from a citation or imprisonment standpoint. You may find some Game Enforcement Officers and some Forest Rangers who may have experiences with Bigfoot encounters of one kind or another. These folks may even share with you off the record. But I doubt any of them would even begin to know what to write the citation for if they caught someone with a dead Bigfoot unless it was killed in a “No Hunting” or “No Shooting” game preserve-type area or within the bounds of a Federal Park that was closed to firearms, and the killer admitted that he was NOT trying to protect himself when he shot the Bigfoot (lol). Even then, the violation would likely be one of illegally possessing a firearm in a restricted area, or illegal discharge of a firearm in a no shooting area. I doubt you would get a ticket for killing a Bigfoot! -Well maybe if you killed it in Skamania County WA! All things said and done, I still think, hope, it is a big hoax.

  36. kamoeba responds:

    If you think this guy has even a shred of reality in his story, please realize that he used the word ‘naught’ in a sentence. Tell me who the heck uses ‘naught’ in common parlance? As for his connection to law enforcement, I’m willing to bet he’s been in a squad car before, but I’m sure he wasn’t the driver. Even if I was a multi-millionaire cryptozoologist, I’d tell this guy to kiss my yarwen!

  37. Georgia_Bigfoot responds:

    This smacks of viral marketing to me.

  38. Ole Bub responds:

    Thank you for the update…an enigma within a mystery cloaked in secrecy continues to unfold…it’s hard to be a bubba and none I know would do such a deed…JMHO

    The slain body of an adult or sub-adult would have validated the existence of the creature we seek…if true what a tragic waste…I hope this is a cruel hoax.

    No bucks…No bigfoot…

    ole bub and the dawgs

  39. Harry55 responds:

    After reading many of the reports of close encounters with these creatures over the years by numerous eye wittneses this Perez guy must have some deep guilt if his story merits any truth at all.

    After killing the adult and being able to see up close what he had just shot may be the reason he buried the adult.

    Putting myself in his shoes I do pray that he thought he was actually shooting a bear instead of this. When eye wittnesses have said these creatures do look as human as some have insisted they do.

    Thanks for the update Loren.

  40. Xeno2814 responds:

    Probably just human assumption at work in associating a mother with a baby. *shrug* Besides, it’s much more ‘romanticized’ that way. You know, the evil villain killing the mother and taking the child by force, that sort of thing.

    That being said, I’m going to call shananigans for this story. The point someone else raised, namely why this guy didn’t at least take pictures of the body to prove that he had at least shot it, is something I thought of as well. Also, can you just imagine the look on some poor toll workers face as this guy drove thru with a wailing bigfoot baby in the back? :D

  41. FelixLComas responds:

    I’ve been reading the posts on this forum faithfully for months. However, I had not found one that had interested me enough to make me want to post my thoughts until now.

    I find it very hard to believe this story. Though I could be wrong, my instincts tell me this is some sort of publicity stunt.

    Don’t get me wrong, I would love nothing better than to see the scientific community admit that until now, undiscovered primates still exist, but ‘Mr. Perez’s’ email persona smacks of fraud, and possibility even bait.

    If anything, he kind of seems to have been trying to lure poor Loren. To what end, I have no clue. It would be interesting to note, how many other respectable crypto-zoologists have been offered the ‘chance of a lifetime’.

    As a life long trekker, d and d buff, sci-fi fan, and official x-files-fan-nerd, I can tell when someone’s writing is indicative of blurring fantasy and reality.

    I’ve been around the best, and this guy is not that good.

    I would trust this guy only as far as I could throw him within a level 6 containment field.

  42. vecarnex responds:

    This guy, he’s already a financial imbecile in the first place. Even if there is any remote chance of this being true, 17 Million pales next to the potential Hollywood money this guy would have had in his pocket.

    Anyway, why even abuse yourself or the poor Sasquatch, risk it’s death, when the story of it’s capture is good for a solid Billion dollar return worldwide?

    The idiocy of even concerning yourself with the initial sale of a Sasquatch, it’s just silly.

    I mean just the trailers of a dopey guy with a baby Sas in his rollbars driving through New Jersey. Like “Harry meets the Sopranos.”

    If this was true it would have everything.

    Sorrow, Humor, a semi retarded Officer of the law. Guy tries to raise Baby Sasquatch angle. I can see it now “Starring Vin Diesel”.

  43. Yukon Red responds:

    It looks to me that this “perez” whatever is as phoney as a three dollar bill, one would be a fool to claim anything of the sort, without one bit of proof. Would any one of you pay $$$$ without some proof of the existance of such claim ??

  44. MissingLink responds:

    THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS 17 MILLION

    Whether or not this particular story is true, here is an important issue. Maybe not all “buyers” would have the same motivation.

    How about silence? What if the hominids are Homo erectus living side by side with Homo sapiens, or something to that effect.

    Our abilities in the world of DNA testing have come a long way. A fact like that might ruffle some religious feathers, or possibly worse, logging companies.

    Think about it.

    If it were a scenario like that, the evidence would disappear, leaving us to keep scrabbling around for a hair or footprint.

    - Signed, Your friendly neighborhood Buddhist

  45. TemplarKnight21c responds:

    Well, as a fellow with the last name Hayes that lives in Jersey, I feel I must share certain information.

    A) To my knowledge, Tuck Hayes and I are not related, thank Odin.
    B) Paterson is not a very desirable place. It is almost entirely drug-ridden. It is highly, HIGHLY unlikely that anything like a baby sasquatch could be hidden there.

    However, maybe this guy is on something?

  46. greywolf responds:

    What happens when he sticks this money in the bank? How does he explain it? They want to know about that sort of thing. If he is a law enforcement officer, won’t his superiors want to know how he came into that much money?

    Oh well I still think it is BS.

  47. MrInspector responds:

    It’s illegal to transport living native species across state lines without special permits period! Regardless of whether they are recognized or not. Maybe YOU should ask around a little before you go trying to rustle up your own bigfoot. In order for you to fight it in court you would have to prove that it wasn’t a native species. If this alleged bigfoot is real. But until someone actually bags one we won’t know. I won’t be the one to drag it across state lines. But be my guest.

  48. brineblank responds:

    Well you know if they were filming a movie nearby did anyone consider making sure there were no actors missing? I can imagine someone stuck in a baby bigfoot suit afraid to say he was burning up for fear of getting shot like co-actor Billy Joe. On a more serious note, I keep getting flashes of people stitching together monkey tops and fishtails and selling them as mermaids…If one really did get killed then you can guarantee that it will get some new laws and nature preserves set.

  49. Nerull responds:

    People that make up these stories are often times the same type of people that get beat up in bars for running their mouths.

    Just an observation.

  50. twocentsworth responds:

    First, let’s clear something up. I have no intention of “rustling up” a Bigfoot or transporting it anywhere. I am totally against any capture or killing or transporting of the animal.

    I personally know they exist. I do not have to prove that to anyone. I do not care what others may think of Bigfoot’s existence.

    As of yet, officially & legally, Bigfoot does not exist. It does not have a “Genus species” taxonomic designator. It has not been scientifically classified. It is not accepted as “real” in either the legal or mainstream scientific community. A court of law can not convict a person of the violation of a crime that has not occurred. If Bigfoot does not legally exist, legally speaking it can not be transported anywhere, or for that matter – killed. Until science and laws recognize Bigfoot as a legitimate entity, it technically is not a native or any other kind of species.

    If Bigfoot magically shows up and gets legal and scientific recognition, then that is the point where the law can step in and give it protection.

  51. Pvolitans responds:

    Not a single iota of evidence from Perez.

    All we’ve heard from him is convoluted, sci-fi fantasy speak, personal insults at Loren and cryptozoologists, claims of mysterious bidders who are at odds with Loren, claims of being in law enforcement, demands for money, etc etc.

    If this guy was truly in law enforcement, he would understand that the burden of proof was on him. Even a few snapshots or a 5-sec home video of the baby bigfoot would suffice to up his credibility a hundredfold (but it’s too late now – zero credibility times a hundred is still a big fat zero). Has he understood and acted on this implicit requirement of anyone who claims to have a bigfoot in his possession? No.

    I hope this guy gets time for verbal assault. Having called someone ‘fool’ and ‘loser’, coupled with a string of profanities for the purpose of ridicule and embarrassment would surely be sufficient to file a charge.

  52. sschaper responds:

    Report him to the police, based upon what he has said he has done. That should sort things out rather satisfactorily – either proving the furry primate and arresting the non-furry for illegal transport, or arresting him for some kind of fraud.

  53. twocentsworth responds:

    Heck, I give up. Up to this point there is no “proof” of any kind that Perez has done “anything.” No proof, period. Can’t arrest him. Can’t charge him. Can’t try him. Can’t jail him. I’ll bet he’s laughing his butt off at all the controversy he has stirred up. NO PROOF PEOPLE!

  54. Senor Chubba responds:

    I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

  55. calash responds:

    For the sheer sake of beating this horse to complete death.

    Alright, let’s assume ourselves way out on a limb. How about this scenario?

    A police want-to-be who is into D&D type video games decided to go camping in Maine all by himself. New Jersey to Maine is a one day trip.

    A high power hunting rifle is fairly easy to obtain if you have a clean record. It may be illegal to have it with you in this instance but unless you get caught the stupid can prevail.

    Now serendipity rears its ugly head.

    In spite of all the Bigfoot expeditions, the efforts of dedicated volunteers who would never harm these elusive creatures. Mrs. Sasquatch and junior have decided to go berry picking within easy access of “The Beast Slewer”.

    Possibly hearing the playful antics of junior whining for more food and giving mom a hard time our slewer stealthily crept through the Maine brambles and briars until there in his cross hairs was the innocent Yarwen mom tending to her offspring’s needs. With one thunderous roar of a high power rifle the world of Bigfoot changed forever.

    As Bigfoot young are very rarely reported in can be assumed that the parents take extraordinary measures to protect them. Possibly they have a long period of immaturity and would be easy prey. Advancing on the prone female he may have found a bewildered youngster clinging desperately to the mother. The young one was described as docile. This is a lot easier to claim then admitting that he clubbed a baby anything into unconsciousness. Then he could have dragged the baby back to his vehicle with the tinted windows and the internal rollbar (Or a surplus police car with a perp cage??)

    Again Serendipity, No near by campers that come to investigate a gun shot or to see junior chained in the back of the vehicle while Jersey boy is tending to Mom.

    A dead full grown female Bigfoot would probably been too big for one overweight , out of shape beast slewer to move any distance by himself.

    Leaving it was not an option though as discovery would mean the notoriety would need to be shared. So with much toil the evidence of Mother BF was concealed under the cold Maine river soil.

    With tinted windows, Eazy Pass/Fast pass for tolls, and self service gas stops, a trip from Maine to New Jersey could be done easily in one day with very little or no interaction with others.

    From there who knows?

    Chance of this whole thing being phony and some loser just riding this fairytale just as far as possible = 90%+

    Chance that the story is true and that a Casino or other shady but wealthy character will emerge as the rescuer of the baby = ???%

    Also:

    Southern Maine does have 5 reports listed on the BFRO website within the last 21 years.

    There sure are a lot of woods, streams and lakes in Maine.

    I hope it is not true but many discoveries have happened by accident to the most unlikely of people.

    With Best Regards

    “The wheel goes Round”

  56. sasquatch responds:

    Parlance…

  57. appyrider2 responds:

    Well, if this true, this guy is guilty of murder. Unless his life was in danger. I’m a tribal member and live way up in the mountians of Washington state, no power or water. I’ve heard these creatures calling out to one another in the night. No, not coyotes or bears, the tribal members know and respect these animals. Sad, but maybe this is what it’ll take to get these animals protected?

  58. Col. Kurtz responds:

    Ok, so what happens when this ” baby bigfoot” turns into a 9ft 800lb adult, does he seriously think he’s gonna keep it in the basement.

    And if you have his ip address, why not contact the fish and game wardens in NJ and have them go check on the story.

  59. skunkape_hunter responds:

    Loren,
    I beleive you are wrong about a hoax not being illegal. This person told you that you would have to pay 100K before viewing the creature. If there is no creature then that is a crime.

  60. UKCryptid responds:

    Why on earth would the bigger body have been buried? Surely that would have only added to the hunters wealth? That’s the main thing that shouts at me as being the thing that proves this to be a hoax. However, it has to be said that if this was indeed the real thing, then the hunter is cruel and should be arrested immediately. Handcuffs? Why on earth?

  61. swnoel responds:

    It’s unbelievable how people react to such a foolish and obvious hoax, but then again, ya never know, especially with Maine’s new season for harvesting trilobites, anything’s possible. :-)

  62. btgoss responds:

    How long would it take to bury something that was 8.5 feet tall?

    Even with the creature in his car, he still would have had to go through many toll booths, no one noticed the “big hairy kid” hand cuffed to the roll bar?

  63. kamoeba responds:

    Yeah, I used ‘parlance’ in a sentence. I got carried away by some of the funny comments here that really ‘slew’ me. I guess my comments have been for ‘naught’. You can take the nerd out of his parents’ basement, but you can’t completely take the nerd out of the nerd I guess! That being said, if you can seve time for calling people names, a lot of us (mostly me) are in big trouble for our comments about this “Perez” guy. Luckily I know of no Yarwen hunters locally with handcuffs to bring me in to the station.

    Please note that kamoeba is not my real name.

  64. carnivore responds:

    I don’t believe this guy, first off.

    1st) Any wild animal wouldn’t sit still while you handcuffed it to the rollbar of a truck. That thing would go nuts going through Portland, then down the interstate 70+ miles per hr.

    2nd) I live, hunt & fish in Maine. Its against Maine law to hunt, possess, or transport any species of wild animal or wild bird or parts thereof for which an open season is not specifically provided. Straight from the law book folks.

    3rd) Coyote season is year round, but you still need a Maine hunting license to ride around with a firearm.

    4th) Taking this thing alive would be considered trapping without a licence. I’m sure they would nail him for other violations also, molesting of wildlife, etc. (NO, not that kind of molesting.)

    Great site guys keep up the good work.

  65. Mnynames responds:

    A few thoughts-

    Although Bigfoot may not be on the books in Maine, surely it would still be covered under general animal protection laws. Bigfoot may not officially exist, but if an officer sees one being abused in captivity, he has every right to fine the owner and take the creature into custody. Add to that all the capture and transport laws mentioned by others, and this guy might be looking at some serious charges. Once in custody, a ruling could be made on whether or not a Bigfoot should be considered Human or not. I personally find it hard to believe that if would be declared as such, but if it is, then he could face murder and kidnap charges.

    Lastly, there are ways to confirm this ludicrous story. If this man was actually paid $17 million, he owes a pretty hefty chunk of change in taxes. If he’s above board, there’s a paper trail. If he’s not above board, there’s still a paper trail, as I doubt he could resist spending at least some of it. Regardless of the reasons, I think a cop suddenly living well beyond his means would be enough to attract someone’s attention.

  66. MojoHotep responds:

    First off, if I duplicate something someone has already pointed out,,,forgive me. Now to business.

    The legal term that is being missed here is “Non-game Wildlife”. Most states have laws that specify it being illegal to kill, harvest, harrass, molest, interfere with, or in any other way cause problems for non-game wildlife, NOT specifically listed as a pest species in the states’ game and fish laws and bylaws. Those laws are pretty much written for protection of “Non-game Wildlife”. Most of the time, unless a species of animal has been designated a pest, by state game and fish lawmakers, that animal is protected. Period. Slice it or dice it anyway you want, just because a type of “Wildlife” is not recognized doesnt mean it isn’t protected as wildlife by the appropriate state. If it is non-indigenous, and considered an exotic invasive species by whatever means, then it doesn’t usually fall under any laws and can be taken with no restrictions, most of the time. For instance, the ringnecked turtle dove that is invading the US at this time, has no limit and can be harvest during any regular dove season. On the flip side of that, if a Eurasion Widgeon accidentally flys into the pacific flyway and gets shot during the California hunting season, it is considered migratory waterfowl all the same and is part of the daily limit as a widgeon.

    Bigfoot would NOT be considered an invasive species because they don’t even know what their indigenous range is to begin with. Considering they exist.

    Another road I won’t even go down right now is the possibility of murder charges being looked at after testing is done on the subject. The owners are not guaranteed legal ownership of a creature of this sort if it is for real. If it were illegally taken wildlife, then it can’t be legally sold to anyone. Period and would be confiscated. If it weren’t wildlife, then what the heck is it and that only leaves one other choice, in which case, a murder charge, kidnapping, child endangerment, false imprisonment, etc (the list of charges would go on) would all be in order.

    Things to ponder.

  67. mbryant responds:

    Last year my horse died unexpectedly, and I had to bury her. It took a backhoe to dig a large enough hole for this 900 pound animal, and a John Deere tractor to place her into the grave. I was heart- broken at the time but I did take note of the mechanics/logistics of disposing of the body of such a large animal. It would be very, very, difficult to ‘bury’ an estimated 800 pound creature and impossible to place the creature in a grave without 5 or 6 people helping, (unless you happened to have a backhoe and a John Deere nearby.)

  68. Randy in CT responds:

    He sounds nuts and his story sounds hoakey.

  69. twocentsworth responds:

    Loren,

    Would you care to weigh in on the legal issues and implications being discussed here? Being a renowned Cryptozoologist, surely you must have some insight on the legal end of this discussion?

  70. Loren Coleman responds:

    50cents -48cents worth…

    Well, I’m not an attorney, but last month I actually did stay at a Holiday Inn Express and thus I am smart enough to listen to what other people say about animals and legal issues.

    I’m reading and listening to the comments here by several people who actually know something about the legal issues with great interest.

    I’m never too old to learn new things.

    Thanks for all the great posts. :-)

  71. twocentsworth responds:

    Loren,

    Good, safe, non-confrontational answer. I, unlike you, did not stay at a Holiday Inn Express. Therefore, I must concede that you are indeed far smarter than me! I did however drag my RV out into bush and attend an extremely interesting Bigfoot Expedition last month.

    I am no lawyer either. I try to be informed on various legal issues that interest me by reading pertinent revised codes, applying a little common sense, and conversing with legal types to include Law (Civil and Game) Enforcement Officials and State Attorneys’ General where applicable. I have found that they don’t have all the answers either.

    It will be real interesting to see how this whole thing pans out.

  72. scout responds:

    $17 million for a young sasquatch? If it can’t climb the Empire State Building then it isn’t worth that much money…

    If Mr. Perez is telling the truth, then the IRS will be taking an interest in him, if no one else.

    Time will tell if the alleged animal surfaces. My assessment thus far is that the guy is lying, and is a con artist.

  73. skye12902 responds:

    For someone that just “inherited” 17 million dollars, he seems pretty bitter. A little odd dont you think?

  74. Seraphine responds:

    I agree with earlier posts: why does this man think cryptozoologists have millions of dollars?!? Unless Donald Trump is a closet cryptozoologist…

    And why does he expect ANYONE to believe him if he has absolutely NO substantial proof. And, yes, CAN we have a sample of hair for testing, hmmmm??

    I suppose he doesn’t understand that most dedicated cryptozoologists are in it for the love of mystery, science and to prove that these animals do or DO not exists (we’d all prefer that they do of course!). Not for the love of money.

    Am I right?

    So, Mr. Perez, please unless YOU have solid proof you won’t be getting a cent out of any cryptozoologists. Even your “mystery buyer”. And if you are a part of law enforcement, you should KNOW that your identity can EASILY be traced with simple software downloaded from the ‘net.

  75. Seraphine responds:

    OH! Sorry Loren, I just went back to the original post and saw that your last comment stated he claimed to be a part of law enforcement. Was this information divulged from the beginning, or was it after we started talking about it?

  76. Loren Coleman responds:

    Q: “Was this information divulged from the beginning, or was it after we started talking about it?”

    A: It had nothing to do with it being mentioned by commenters here, as it was in an email early on, but kept in confidence and only recently shared here.

    Of course, being “in law enforcement” does not necessarily mean being a member of a law enforcement agency or a law enforcement officer.

  77. Mike Aragona responds:

    .” One that is said to be 8.5 ft tall with orange-brown hair is killed and buried. Another one called a “cub” – said to be 3.5 tall, weighing 121.5 pounds, and docile – is captured. Informant, “dominick perez” says this is “no hoax.”

    3.5′ tall and 121.5 lbs. Correct me if I am wrong, but those where the measurements for Jacko the presumed young Sasquatch captured back in the 1800′s in British Columbia. I think the town where the animal was caught was Yale if memory serves me correct.

    Mike Aragona
    BFRO Investigator New Jersey

  78. Maer responds:

    I just don’t buy any of this. Lorne, my question for you is this: When it is shown that this person is nothing but a hoaxer, will you be moving ahead and contacting the authorities, as he has clearly broken some laws by demanding money from you for nothing? It doesn’t matter whether you went for the bait, he attempted fraud along with a group of other illegalities.

    Maer

  79. Mike Aragona responds:

    I stand corrected on Jacko. Not that this will give any credibility to Mr. Perez’s story!

    In 1884 the newspaper, Daily Colonist, of Victoria, British Columbia told of the capture of a “Sasquatch.” The creature was spotted by a train crew along the Fraser River. The crew stopped the train, gave chase, and captured the animal after following it up a rocky hill. The creature was given the name “Jacko” and was “…Something of the gorilla type, standing four feet seven inches in height and weighing 127 pounds. He has long black, strong hair and resembles a human being with one exception, his entire body, excepting his hands (or paws) and feet are covered with glossy hair about one inch long…he possesses extraordinary strength, as he will take hold of a stick and break it by wrenching it or twisting it, which no man could break in the same way.”

    Mike Aragona
    BFRO Investigator New Jersey

  80. Loren Coleman responds:

    No, the alleged story of Jacko, the 1884, British Columbia apelike creature, does not contain the same measurements as this 2006 Maine baby Bigfoot/”Yarwen” tale.

    Yarwen baby: 3 feet 6 inches in height and weighing 121.5 pounds.

    Jacko: 4 feet 7 inches in height and weighing 127 pounds.

  81. Loren Coleman responds:

    Multiple Choice Quiz

    One of the most frustrating things about comments here is to have to read entries where the commenter:

    (pick only one)

    1) has not fully and closely read the three blogs on this matter;

    2) would assume that I have the time and money to make legal claims against someone;

    3) considers that this story is anywhere understood or nearly finalized;

    4) calls me “Lorne”!

  82. MrInspector responds:

    The last I will say on the subject of poaching and I will not be drawn any further. Out of State hunting permits are a legal requirement in all states of the union that allow out of state hunting. Most out of state hunting permits are issued on a per animal basis and are non transferable between species. Just because you have a stamp for bears doesn’t mean you have permission to take a moose.

    By it’s very definition, poaching includes the taking of animals outside of designated permits, or permissable areas. As stated above, BF is not a recognized animal, and the great State of Maine does not issue Stamps for Sasquatch on their permits. See for yourself.

    Anyone else who wishes to discuss the legality of killing an unkonwn primate and transporting it across state lines is most welcome to continue doing so via email as this wasn’t the subject of this post.

    Not that any of this matters unless someone actually bags one.

  83. rayrich responds:

    This guy we’ve given way too much attention. Deep in the woods of Maine…that area isn’t even close to being deep in the Maine woods. This guy sounds like a true outdoorsman probably hunting on his ATV. Not like the old days where you actually had to hunt the animal down.

  84. lastensugle responds:

    This guy “Perez” already got what he wanted from this: a lot of attention …which he obviously has been missing while growing up in his parents basement. He`s probably reading all of this right now, feelin damn important. I don`t believe your foolish tale, Perez, and even if it was true, your 17 million dollars will buy you a legacy of beeing a murderous bastard.

  85. crypto_randz responds:

    The yarn was sold this sounds like mighty joe young, are they planning to make the baby yarn a movie star, please this story is too far fetched. If the yarn is real wheres the video tape.

  86. traveler responds:

    This whoke thing has the sound of TB. But something someone said caught my attention. Back home in the jungle, when we would shoot a mother monkey, usually the baby would fall out of the tree still attached to the monkey, and it was very docile simply by way of fear. It would usually latch on the first substitute it could find, usually my dads hairy chest, lol. So i can concievbly see where a very young primate might be moved and manipulated with extreme measures,,,,on the other hand I sure wouldnt want a 100lb critter grabbing on to my chest hair!!!

  87. Col. Kurtz responds:

    Maybe tom biscardi sold the leg and saved all his bottles and cans and came up with the money. =P

  88. thegoblinking responds:

    Mr. Coleman doesn’t need to be bothered by idiots like this, there are plenty of legitimate sightings, encounters and evidence that needs to be studied. I have read and heard about enough hoaxes to know this is one. Mr. Coleman please ignore him and continue your research, which is great.

  89. scotto responds:

    Well, it’s been almost a month, and no word of who maybe forked over 17 mil for ‘lil squatchy.

    So, this guy gets serious cash for junior, yet he’s wanting to know if you wanna go dig? Like momma wouldn’t be worth a cent???

    What a load of crap. Somebody put “Mr. Perez” back on his meds, and spare us the BS.

  90. catch5 responds:

    I can end this once and for all: ebay’s policies clearly state that nothing living can be sold on thier auction site. Number two, why did this guy chicken out every time Loren Coleman insisted on seeing the proof; this guy always had an excuse; big indicator he is lying about the whole thing.

    Finally, ten million, are you kidding, Bigfoot would fetch alot more than that. I once read an article that the capture of Bigfoot could at least, hypetheticaly, fetch $100 million dollars!! I mean come on, think about it, you really believe the capture of the century would fetch a measly $10 million, hah. This would be bigger, ten times bigger than even catpturing Osama Bin Laden!

  91. northeast cryptid responds:

    Just found this while catching up on older posts. Serendipity aside, what a coincidence. A creature from the Patterson film, ending up in Paterson!



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