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Bigfoot Body: Hoax

Posted by: Loren Coleman on August 12th, 2008

Breaking News: Photos Released ~ Click HERE!

I have just talked with Robert Barrows, R.M. Barrows, Inc., Advertising & Public Relations, Burlingame, California, who informed me the following release has been distributed to news agencies worldwide. It is now in the hands of the media at large, and they will be going with this story. The embargo on the news is lifted. Therefore, here it is for Cryptomundo readers.

Those with a brain understand why I went on the record, briefly with this statement:
“I feel, in all honesty, this, indeed, may be the real deal, and I say this carefully after reviewing information that has been shared privately with me. I cannot say more yet. But people will be very surprised.” ~ Loren Coleman, Bigfoot! The True Story of Apes in America.

Those with the photos were watching here, and it was part of the bait to learn more so the hoax could be exposed.

Thus we were first able to get this in our hands.

August 12, 2008
DNA evidence and photo evidence to be presented at a
to be held on
Date: Friday, August 15, 2008
Time: From 12Noon-1:00pm
Place: Cabana Hotel-Palo Alto (A Crown Plaza Resort) 4290 El Camino Real, Palo Alto, California 94306

Searching for Bigfoot, Inc. Menlo Park, California
Tom Biscardi, CEO



A body that may very well be the body of the creature commonly known as “Bigfoot” has been found in the woods in northern Georgia.

DNA evidence and photo evidence of the creature will be presented in a press conference on Friday, August 15th from 12 Noon to 1:00pm at the Cabana Hotel-Palo Alto at 4290 El Camino Real in Palo Alto, California, 94306. The press conference will not be open to the public. It will only be open to credentialed members of the press.
Here are some of the vital statistics on the “Bigfoot” body:
*The creature is seven feet seven inches tall.
*It weighs over five hundred pounds.
*The creature looks like it is part human and part ape-like.
*It is male.
*It has reddish hair and blackish-grey eyes.
*It has two arms and two legs, and five fingers on each hand and
five toes on each foot.
*The feet are flat and similar to human feet.
*Its footprint is sixteen and three-quarters inches long and five and three-quarters inches wide at the heel.
*From the palm of the hand to the tip of the middle finger, its hands are
eleven and three-quarters inches long and six and one-quarter inches wide.
*The creatures walk upright. (Several of them were sighted on the same day that the body was found.)
*The teeth are more human-like than ape-like.
*DNA tests are currently being done and the current DNA and photo evidence will be presented at the press conference on Friday, August 15th.

The creature was found by Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer (residents of Georgia) in the woods in northern Georgia. (The exact location is being kept secret to protect the creatures.)
Matthew Whitton and Rick Dyer will be flying in from Georgia to be at the press conference. Also present at the press conference will be Tom Biscardi, CEO of Searching for Bigfoot, Inc.
Whitton is a Clayton County, Georgia, police officer, who is currently on administrative leave after being wounded in the course of duty pursuing an alleged felon. Dyer is a former correctional officer. Whitton and Dyer are co-owners of and Bigfoot Global LLC., a company that offers Bigfoot expeditions. Whitton and Dyer are working with Bigfoot hunter, Tom Biscardi, and Biscardi’s Searching for Bigfoot, Inc., to present and conduct the scientific study of the evidence and information on this body.
A few weeks ago, Whitton and Dyer announced the finding of the body on the “Squatch Detective” radio show, an internet based radio show hosted by Steve Kulls. While on that show, the commentator asked Rick Dyer “Would you allow one of our people to come down and verify the body?” Dyer replied, “The only person we would allow to come down and verify the body was ‘the real Bigfoot Hunter,’ Tom Biscardi.” The next day, the producer of the Squatch Detective show contacted Biscardi with pertinent information on how to contact Dyer and Whitton.
Extensive scientific studies will be done on the body by a team of scientists including a molecular biologist, an anthropologist, a paleontologist and other scientists over the next few months at an undisclosed location. The studies will be carefully documented and the findings will be released to the world, according to Biscardi.
Biscardi is known as “the real Bigfoot Hunter” because of his extensive investigations out in the field. He has been searching for Bigfoot since 1971 and over the past several years, he has been criss-crossing the United States and Canada tracking down the hottest leads on Bigfoot sightings.
Videography on the studies will be done under the supervision of Scott Davis, an independent producer and owner of TV Biz Productions in Phoenix, Arizona.
Currently, Tom Biscardi and his Searching for Bigfoot Team, in conjunction with Bigfoot Global LLC., are preparing to capture another of these creatures alive. That expedition will start very soon. The dates and the locations are being kept confidential.
The body that is currently being studied is being referred to as the “RICKMAT” creature, a name derived from the names of Rick Dyer and Matthew Whitton. [Cryptozoologist Loren Coleman recommends the term “Georgia Gorilla” be used to remove any taint of ego from the discovery, and so the general public, media, and science will have a comfortable moniker until a formal zoological name may be bestowed.]
Last year, a film that Biscardi produced about his investigations, called “Bigfoot Lives,” won first place in the Documentary category at the Pocono Mountains Film Festival. Biscardi also hosts a Bigfoot oriented internet radio show that can be heard on Wednesday nights from 7:00pm to 8:00pm PDT at The show is heard in over thirty countries.
Searching for Bigfoot, Inc. has exclusive rights to all publishing rights, photo rights, television and film rights, production and distribution rights and other commercial opportunities related to the discovery and findings regarding this body and these creatures.
Interested parties may contact Searching for Bigfoot, Inc., in writing, at their mailing address, 1134 Crane St., Suite 216, Menlo Park, California 94025.

Loren Coleman About Loren Coleman
Loren Coleman is one of the world’s leading cryptozoologists, some say “the” leading living cryptozoologist. Certainly, he is acknowledged as the current living American researcher and writer who has most popularized cryptozoology in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Starting his fieldwork and investigations in 1960, after traveling and trekking extensively in pursuit of cryptozoological mysteries, Coleman began writing to share his experiences in 1969. An honorary member of Ivan T. Sanderson’s Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained in the 1970s, Coleman has been bestowed with similar honorary memberships of the North Idaho College Cryptozoology Club in 1983, and in subsequent years, that of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, CryptoSafari International, and other international organizations. He was also a Life Member and Benefactor of the International Society of Cryptozoology (now-defunct). Loren Coleman’s daily blog, as a member of the Cryptomundo Team, served as an ongoing avenue of communication for the ever-growing body of cryptozoo news from 2005 through 2013. He returned as an infrequent contributor beginning Halloween week of 2015. Coleman is the founder in 2003, and current director of the International Cryptozoology Museum in Portland, Maine.

125 Responses to “Bigfoot Body: Hoax”

  1. SamuraiWannaBe responds:

    I will be on vacation when the news breaks, but if it is real, I might find out anyway! I’m honestly really excited to find out the results. If it is real, just imagine how many of us will get to say, “I told you so!” :-)

  2. Bake Neko responds:

    If you think this could be the real deal Mr. Coleman, then I can get my hopes up a bit. Thank you for breaking news.

  3. Belfry responds:

    Hmm…, check calendar….

    Not April 1st!

    Coming from Biscardi and these characters, I’m not going to get to hopeful.

    But if it’s on the level–let me just say I would rather see John Green, Loren Coleman or Jeff Meldrum present the world’s first physical evidence of Sasquatch.

  4. sschaper responds:

    What are the dissimilarities with the news build-up to the alleged hand from the same part of the country that Biscardi was involved with?

    Where are Meldrum, Goodall, Chillicut and of course Loren and all the others? (Ok, we know where Loren is, but I’d feel better if he were involved)

  5. DontCryBigfoot responds:

    I’ve seen some pictures (with the agreement that I would not show them to anyone and would delete them immediately after viewing, which I have honored). The eyes appeared more “blueish” to me but I guess blackish-grey could also be used to describe them, one odd thing is that the photos showed no signs of decomposition at all, and that just doesn’t jive well for me, I’m still highly suspicious, but I will say, even if it turns out a hoax, I am now MUCH more impressed with their efforts than I once was!

  6. bill green responds:

    this is wonderful news i think about this whole ga body situation indeed. good afternoon bill green :)

  7. proriter responds:

    To all those who may be getting worked up over this, I recommend you check out the website of RM Barrows, Inc., distributors of the press release referenced above. According to the website, Mr. Barrows is a former Hollywood TV production assistant and is also a sculptor. Interesting choice of a PR firm.

  8. Shane Durgee responds:

    This is an enormous finding that will challenge how we see our world.

    I wonder how the church is going to respond?

  9. Greg102 responds:

    wonder if Bushnell is wishing they didn’t offer their $1,000,000 reward contest. The marketing guy who came up with that is going to be in hot water with his bosses if Friday rings true. haha

  10. Belfry responds:

    I know, it’s an imperfect world.

    I guess I hope for movie-like endings with the good guys getting the rewards. That’s not saying Biscardi is a bad-guy. I just don’t care for his approach.

  11. DontCryBigfoot responds:

    Greg, I doubt they’ll submit this to Bushnell, as they’ll lose the rights to those photos they submit….. also they stand to make ALOT more than $1,000,000 from this if it turns out the real thing.

  12. jamesrav responds:

    for me this is an ‘all or nothing’. If this turns out to be a hoax, then
    I may be finished with crypto. The ‘Alien Autopsy’ hoax was also very
    well promoted and eventually dissolved – but after a few people no doubt
    made money. I thought it was 8 feet tall or more, now it’s 7 feet 6 – didn’t
    they measure it accurately? Loren, you are putting your reputation at stake,
    and considering how these people have treated you I’m amazed you’re
    suddenly in their camp.

  13. omne51 responds:

    Well, if Loren says to wait & see… I’ll wait & see. I am more than a bit surprised to see his comments about how “this may be the real deal.” Statements like that from Loren honestly raise my expectations quite a bit.

  14. cinemaniac1979 responds:

    I’ve had my hopes dashed too many times by Tom Biscardi to trust anything he says. Still not holding my breath.

  15. Belfry responds:

    Bushnell will be fine with the onslaught of orders for field binoculars and cameras, if this is indeed authenticated.

  16. Greg102 responds:

    They can take a thousand photos of the body. Why not submit ONE photo? Gain a quick million. Obviously they’ll make alot more than that if this is real. But one photo for a mill. why not?

  17. cryptidsrus responds:

    Cool beans. Can’t wait.
    I would much rather it be Biscardi and it be real than it be nothing at all with a “legitimate” resarcher. I agree, the negative comments are getting old. Let’s wait and see.

  18. Bob Malarkey responds:

    I’m really hoping this is on the level. If its not, that group is going to have to answer to ALOT of angry people who dont like being lied to. sadly, I’ll be on vacation that day, so i hope i can find a computer! If this is the real deal, I’ll finally get to tell my skeptic dad I told you so!

  19. Bucky responds:

    I saw that too….went from 8 foot 6 inches in earlier news to 7 foot 6 inches in the latest press conf. information…..this just leads to more “uncredibility” ….my gut feeling is still a major “hoax”…we won’t know for sure on Fri. cause who’s gonna believe Biscardi’s DNA results and “photos” that can be “fixed”…we’ll still be guessing after Fri. and my guess is still “hoax”.

  20. Munnin responds:

    Wow! Knowing that you, Mr. Coleman, honestly feel that this could be “the real deal” makes me feel that it must be truly impressive evidence. I’m excited now.

    “Extensive scientific studies will be done on the body by a team of scientists including a molecular biologist, an anthropologist, a paleontologist and other scientists over the next few months at an undisclosed location. ”

    That’s just the sort of thing I was hoping to see and hear. This is essential, in my view. Considering the terrible impression these two guys made with their infantile book burning video, I’m relieved and very pleasantly surprised to see a coherent approach to releasing the evidence which they’ve claimed to posess all along… and apprently do have. I can hardly wait for more info to come out!

    There’s a lot more to say about what this physical evidence will mean to the world, but I’ll wait for now. Not all the chickens are quite hatched, so I’m not going to begin counting them yet.

  21. omne51 responds:


    Why isn’t Biscardi’s website making this front & center? They sure aren’t “pimping” it very much.

  22. The Blogsquatcher responds:

    This all looks like good news, but I have to say that earlier today I looked at the website (for the first time) and was shocked to find the words “for entertainment purposes only” hidden at the bottom of a scroll-down list. I say hidden because there is a lot of empty space, then the last paragraph is repeated with the words I quoted in small print at the end. I’ve put up a screen-capture of the site on my blog just in case things change.

    I have to ask — why add the words “for entertainment purposes only” anywhere on that site if everything is legit?

  23. Greg102 responds:

    The height of 8’8” came directly from Ric Dyer’s mouth on the squatchdetective radio show online.

  24. MountDesertIslander responds:

    Friday is put up or shut up day for a bevy of people. Expectations are far to high right now for the participants to produce some kind of hoaxed creature.

    If anyone can produce physical evidence for the existance of Bigfoot there should be no sour grapes about their prior relationship with the truth. The bottom line is whether the long rumored holy grail of cryptozoology is true or not.

    Imagine what this will do for the Yeti, Pacific Northwest Sasquatch, and Pennsylvania Bigfoot explorations.

    I just hope that the name “RICKMAT” doesn’t stick. This thing deserves a dignified moniker.

  25. ShefZ28 responds:

    I still think it’s a hoax…but if it’s not, well… finally.

  26. Greg102 responds:

    Another interesting fact, is the location of the press release in their youtube video is at the fairmont hotel in san fran. the press release states Cabana Hotel-Palo Alto (A Crown Plaza Resort) 4290 El Camino Real, Palo Alto, California 94306. Why two different locations???? Just something interesting I noticed…….

  27. username taken responds:

    Thank you for sharing the news Loren, bearing in mind the treatment of cryptomundo by, it shows great maturity on your part that you break the news so candidly.

    With the support of yourself, Krulls and Biscardi, it adds great validity to the story, and I for one hope that this does turn out to be the final, undeniable proof of the existence of this creature and that the scientific community have to embrace it and validate the decades of observable evidence.

  28. jimbo responds:

    Their initial behavior was somewhat unusual to put it politely and justifiably made alot of people skeptical of their claims, but if they produce the verifiable goods that’s fine with me and I hope they make a mint from it.

  29. MultipleEncounters responds:

    The “RickMat” name is a bit childish but “.. Gorilla” may be biased in that we don’t know what species sasquatch is. I have my own opinion of course…

  30. Shane Durgee responds:

    I guess because I think they’re real, I don’t see why these guys couldn’t have a real body.

    They saw dollar signs and decided to get a lawyer to make sure the body isn’t immediately removed from their possession without a significant payoff. I’m sure the lawyer is responsible for all the suspiscious things we’ve been seeing like “for entertainment purposes only.”

  31. Dancazman responds:


    Thank you for keeping an open mind to the evidence, even with the treatment you received. If you say hang tight, I’m hanging on!

  32. krvega responds:

    I want so bad to believe this. And more and more, I do. This is just incredible, over-powering news. What will this mean if this story is true! It’s almost a breathtaking situation. Wow….

  33. Valen responds:

    I’ll be patient and hopeful, but that is about it at this point. God, why couldn’t it have been Meldrum making this announcement??

  34. Munnin responds:

    The apparent discrepancy in location could be explained by the way that “San Francisco” is often used to denote the general area, including the city (and county) of San Francisco itself, as well as nearby suburbs and “bedroom communities.” In much the same way, the terms “New York” and “L.A.” are often used to refer to the general areas in and around New York city and the city of Los Angeles, respectively. Palo Alto is just South of San Francisco by about 30 miles. It’s also right next to the city of Menlo Park, CA., which is where Mr. Biscardi’s organization is based.

  35. tapemaster57 responds:

    Only because Mr Coleman has made a positive statement will I hold out tiil Friday.I hope this is legit.

  36. MountDesertIslander responds:

    Loren seems more excited than I have ever inferred from the tenor of his comments.

    If anyone has been the voice of reason in this field it has been Mr. Coleman.

    This alone makes me very optimistic about the possibilities that this might be the real deal.

  37. doubtingthomas responds:

    Has anyone else checked The Blogsquatcher’s find? I saw the same disclaimer a little while ago and i’m very worried that Loren and the rest of us are in for yet another embarrassing letdown.

    I sincerely hope i’m wrong, but those guys at “BFT” just haven’t behaved as if they’re capable of much more than buffoonery, to say the least. How can anyone claim, simultaneously, to have “accidentally” found Bigfoot and to be the “Best Bigfoot trackers in the world”??

    While i still firmly believe there are many, many mysteries to be discovered i seriously doubt that this is one.

    Pray that our community doesn’t become the butt of even more ridicule at our credulous acceptance of any shred of this.

    And, finally: I, personally, hope that IF BF is ever really discovered that it will be by real, decent professionals who will protect both the creature and it’s interested community.

  38. krvega responds:

    How many believe that this is the missing link or just a brand new species of ape? I’m of the opionion of the latter.

  39. MountDesertIslander responds:


    Perhaps they are one in the same.

  40. JCMAN282000 responds:

    Looks like some of us already believe without the definitive proof being shown yet. Let’s be carefull. There’s a lot at stake in how we (believers of cryptozoology) react. Also, when will this hit the mainstream news?

  41. MileHighHoosier responds:

    I have been a semi-regular reader for a while, but first time posting:

    I am a skeptic, but open minded and always have been. To be honest, though skeptical, I have certainly always hoped/wished for a discovery like this one claims to be.

    Obviously, it is a wait and see type thing. I do have a question and the answer may be obvious, but even with these claims of a body and a press conference scheduled for Friday and a press release out, I am seeing very little from any type of “mainstream media.” Do you think large market papers and television stations will send reps to the conference? If it is a hoax or if it is real, do you think it will warrant mention with such media outlets?

    Depending on your answer, this could either be a great or devestating day for Cryptozoology and its followers.

  42. Bucky responds:

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t the only thing going to be released in the press conference “questionable” (at best) DNA evidence that will prove NOTHING, and photo “evidence”, which will also prove NOTHING. Photos can be “faked” (you think), so we will be no closer to the truth than today! I’m glad that Loren (who’s opinion I truly respect) is optimistic on this one, and I hope they have a body, but just seems like we are in for yet another letdown. Loren, if possible, can you tell us why you have had such an about-face on this one (without letting the bigfoot out of the bag)?

  43. aletaaa responds:

    Gorilla defines it’s species without the dna to back it up. I think it should carry the same name it has carried “Bigfoot” or “Sasquatch”
    Georgia Sasquatch or Eastern Bigfoot.
    Gorilla hasn’t been determined yet.

  44. username taken responds:

    Why are you referring to this creature as a Gorilla, Loren ?

  45. JCMAN282000 responds:

    From what Loren is saying or seems to be saying by calling this thing a “gorilla” that it might be what has been called a skunk ape

  46. Cryptoraptor responds:

    This will turn out to be a hoax. The likelyhood of a species of 7’7″ tall ape/humans eluding photographers and hunters in the United States over the past 100 years is extremely unlikely to put it very mildly.

    You’ll see on the 15th.

  47. stompy responds:

    Please be a hoax. Leave these critters alone.

  48. Bob K. responds:

    I enjoyed your comments reflecting your outlook on the entire matter, Mr. Coleman. Well balanced and thoughtful. What CAN the rest of us do, really, but wait and see? Patience seems to be the key word here. We’ll all know whether or not this is the real deal soon enough.

  49. omne51 responds:

    There is a Gorilla Haven in Georgia… perhaps this is part of the story?

  50. HulkSmashNow responds:

    I hope it’s true. I pray to God it is. But, I just don’t know. If Mr. Coleman’s willing to throw in with these guys, the same jerks who publicly ridiculed him, then I’m willing to give them a chance. I hope it’s true.

  51. The Blogsquatcher responds:

    If this is going to follow the pattern of all the other times we’ve gotten our hopes up, there’ll be nothing on Friday except feeble reasons why there wasn’t anything, and then promises of future revelations. Keep kicking that can down the road..

    My understanding is that this kind of “can kicking” has already been evident with the group in question.

  52. swnoel responds:

    I suspect this is gonna be the biggest event since 9-11 if it’s true.

    The sideshow will be the wacko’s coming out of the walls… save the BF , stop hunting, stop all forestry practices, eliminate all camping…

    We’ll see

  53. krvega responds:

    Regarding the comments made by Bucky: I too would like to know what exactly will be presented. DNA means nothing without a body. Photographs mean nothing (at least in the cryptozoological world) without a body. If these guys want this discovery to be taken seriously, they HAVE TO PRODUCE A BODY at the press conference. Do you think Larry King is gonna give a hoot about purported DNA evidence and pictures? …Well, Larry might…

  54. Bucky responds:

    Thanks Loren. I appreciate your web-site and all that you do. I can only hope that we will all be amazed on Fri.

  55. gridbug responds:

    IF THIS IS TRUE, then it’s a bittersweet double-edged sword. On the upside, we true believers FINALLY get to hand deliver a raging middle finger to the smirking peanut-brained news commentators, naysayers and otherwise ill-informed of society. That in itself is enough to make me hope that this is the real deal.

    I do commend you, Loren, for staying true to your calling as this story is poised to explode one way or another. These guys were spectacularly unkind to you (and by extension, the rest of us) and while it may prove to be ultimately cringe inducing to have to suffer the smug self-congratulatory attitudes of the bgtrkrs, the goods are the goods and if they’re the ones to stumble into the history books, so be it.

    Looking forward to the 15th, and thanks again, Loren! :)

  56. NightFlight responds:

    I was open-minded until those childish videos on you-tube turned up, then I started having doubts. I bow in reverence to you and your training, education and experience, Loren. We will wait until Friday or whenever the truth is revealed.
    With Biscardi becoming the BF expert at the helm, this so reminded me of the Tim Allen movie “Galaxy Quest” where actors who portrayed starship occupants became the real thing. I could only wish something like this was dropped into my lap…

  57. gridbug responds:

    And for the record, RICKMAT is a horrible, horrible and demeaning moniker to give this discovery. Georgia Gorilla is far more tasteful and neutral, and I look forward to the big reveal to see just why Loren decided to go with that title. 😉

  58. jguil responds:

    Hello Mr. Coleman,

    I took your “hint” and read the passages from BIGFOOT! I realize that you are under an oath not to reveal what you know. However, after reading said passages I don’t see what the difference would be between the discovery of a BF in the terms and descriptions we’re all used to and that of a “gorilla” type animal here in North America? Either discovery would be monumental to say the least. If the descriptions are true of an animal that’s over seven feet tall it would still be of an unknown, extremely large animal. Am I wrong about this?

  59. Richard888 responds:

    I have big plans this Friday night. I am staying at home with my head glued in front of Cryptomundo waiting for the news.

  60. Bear Strommer responds:

    I have been studying Bigfoot of and on now for quite a few years.

    I knew that proof would surface some time of his existence.

    I honestly didn’t think it would be in Georgia – and it still remains to be seen that this is in fact legit.

    I am thankful to the explorers of the world that have put their time and energy into proving what I believe – He exists…

    I am discouraged and disgusted by the people who over the years have tried to make a name for themselves or their town by fabricating false evidence.

    These people can not measure up to the caliber of those who in fact dare to dream.

    Those who know in their hearts that Bigfoot exists.

  61. planettom responds:

    As the Georgia Gentlemen put it: Tick Tick Tick….

    I’ll believe it when I believe it. Can’t wait to get home so I can look at my copy of Bigfoot! and look at the clues Loren posted above……

  62. bruce g hallenbeck responds:


    You probably don’t remember me, but you were on my radio show several times back in the eighties. I’m also the co-author of the book “Monsters of the Northwoods,” about Bigfoot sightings in New York State and New England. I was fascinated to read your post today; I’ve been following this story quite keenly and I know Tom Biscardi all too well. His reputation is far from pristine, but if he and the other two fellows are lucky enough to have come up with the body of an unknown primate, more power to them. I realize that isn’t exactly what you’re saying, but I for one can’t wait to find out what you ARE saying. You’re one of the most credible researchers out there and, as Alastair Cooke used to say when he was hosting “I, Claudius,” I can’t wait to see what happens next!

    Bruce G. Hallenbeck

  63. Loren Coleman responds:

    Look, I am careful, I am skeptical, and I understand the histories of the people involved. It may be a hoax.

    I may be foolish sometimes, in being open-minded to hearing people out, but I’m not a fool who is going to look the other way when a groundbreaking specimen may be days away from finally being revealed. And look very, very closely at what someone is presenting me.

    But I want to see it first!

  64. captiannemo responds:

    I told you so! i told you so! I told you so!
    I’m just practicing….

  65. MPc responds:

    Guten Abend ^^,
    this would be really a sensation, if its true.
    It would also chance the opinion of people, who thougt real discouveries of animals wouldn’t be made anymore.
    By the way, people should threat these animals with respect.
    No Bigfoot-vacations at the zoos with banana-feeding, and stuff like that.
    And to save the cratures habitant, would be another important task.

    ok, lets wait..


  66. The Blogsquatcher responds:

    I have changed my attitude a bit. As I just wrote on my blog, “I’m in receipt of some information that I’m not at liberty to share, but I can say that my attitude toward this issue has changed from extreme doubt to cautious optimism. So keep your eyes peeled folks — there is something going on here. ”

    There’s still plenty of leeway for this to come back wrong way up, but I’m willing to wait and see.

  67. freshyill responds:

    Say what you will about Biscardi, I think he at least wants to be taken seriously. These two guys may look like a couple of yokels with annoying YouTube videos, but I think with an entire body, even Biscardi would back away if it was an obvious hoax.

    I’m hopeful, yet not getting my hopes up.

  68. Greg102 responds:

    I just pulled out my copy of the book as well and read the passages. I think by reporting it as a “gorilla” gives the media more opportunity to report on this and take it more seriously than saying “Bigfoot”. People would be more apt to believe that a “gorilla like” primate was discovered than “Bigfoot” discovered. just my opinion. Hopefully these Georgia boys didn’t recover an escaped gorilla that died and said it was bigfoot. I highly doubt that. I from the start have been very skeptical. I am now keeping an open mind and will reserve judgment until I see “evidence”. Can’t wait to see how mainstream media reports on this press release. So far I have yet to find anything reported….

  69. obastide responds:

    Rather than call it a gorilla, which it isnt, I’ve always called it, in anticipation of this possible day, Borealopithecus Americanus, or American Northern Ape (Or some such approximate translation) If this turns out to be the real deal, it will be a dark day for the Schermers and Nickells and the Radfords and all the professional smirkers who populate Bigfoot documentaries all across the cable universe. Also, a vindication of my great grandfather who was attacked by one in the 19th century.

  70. Roger Knights responds:

    There is a website where you can bet (with play money) on the question, “Will the existence of Bigfoot be confirmed by science in 2008?” (The question-poser is “Loren,” but not our Loren.) I’ve just bet heavily on Yes, at odds of better than 10-to-1. You might like to got there and put down bets, pro and con. The home page of the site, where you go to register and collect your $2000 play money grubstake, is here.

    The thread dealing with the Bigfoot question is here.

    There is also a thread where you can bet on the reality of the recent Yeti-hair, here.

    In addition, the site has about 2000 current-events questions you can bet on. It’s lots of fun.

    [Disclaimer: Cryptomundo does not recommend or support games of chance of any sort, and realizes that some state laws may prohibit you from engaging in the activities noted above via the internet. Please be advised that parental supervision, good judgement, and state laws must be consulted before proceeding.]

  71. stormwalkernz responds:

    All we can really do people is wait for public information release as we do not have all the facts at hand and also wait for scientific analysis of the evidence.
    Up to that point anything is conjecture.
    Ive spoken time and again about how easily the crypto community rejects anything that doesnt fit their ideals.
    No im neither for nor against these guys, they got the media attentions and attention of the crypo community and rode it as long as possible – hell why not, not the best way to get attention but bad attentions better than none, it held public interest.
    Lets just wait till the results are in and the scientific community jump on the band wagon then the truth will be revealed, signed sealed and delivered.
    If these guys want to play out their glory give them their moment while they still have it and see it for what it is.
    Its the science that counts here not the delivery.
    We all want and hope this is for real as it not only supports the case in the US but gives hope for credence for other hominids in other countries like New Zealand here and many more.
    It also provides a chance for Cryptozoology to become an accepted science.
    Please people look at the science of the situation not the way we are being given it and have patience.
    Wait for the scientific communities take on it and then make a decision.
    Alot rides on this either way.

  72. Loren Coleman responds:

    We’ve been over this before, but you can’t give it a Latin name incorrectly like this and think it’s going to stand up. Please.

    It needs a handy handle, and my naming was a fit to some things you will all understand soon enough.

    I was merely suggesting a replacement for what was mentioned in the press release, just as Meldrum got rid of the “Playmate Video” and gave birth to the “Redwoods Video” almost instantly.

  73. Loren Coleman responds:

    The press conference location was changed by Biscardi, and the Georgia guys were using old info. Simply out of the loop, temporarily, apparently. Who knows why?

  74. PDNate responds:

    There are still three days until Friday, lots can happen in three days. I will get excited when its time to get excited. If this turns out to be true it will flip many peoples lids and be a defining moment in history to say the least. Let us not forget the photo evidence and the major press conference the was scheduled for the Johor Bigfoot by Mr. Chow. Loren you add huge credebility to this whole story by giving your positive reinforcement! I find it interesting the “cryptic” and mysterious way you are describing things you know but can’t reveal just yet. Maybe you can convince the originator of your info to allow you to share just a bit with the rest of us? The next few days should be interesting. (fingers crossed)

  75. SeiferTim responds:

    Loren, I understand exactly what you meant about dubbing it the “Georgia Gorilla”. It gives is a catchy name that people can identify it by, but I think a lot of people are going to keep complaining about the reference to the Gorilla, and I sort of see where they’re coming from… Although, if a gorilla population was found living in Georgia, I don’t think that would be much less shocking… What about the “Georgia Giant”? 😛
    I can’t help but get a little excited over this hype… if they really do have a real body, I hope the rest of the scientific world pays attention and that it opens up a whole new avenue of cryptozoology…
    Fingers crossed…

  76. Roger Knights responds:

    “Georgia gorilla” is memorable because of its alliteration.

  77. Loren Coleman responds:

    Yes, Roger, exactly.

    And more.


  78. PDNate responds:


    About the “Gorilla” term, you wrote: “It needs a handy handle, and my naming was a fit to some things you will all understand soon enough.”

    When I first saw your “Georgia Gorilla” phrase I though it was just that a catchy phrase that was easy for people to say. Now after reading the above I am wondering, is there more to it than that? Are you discreatly trying to tell us all that they found a gorilla that was living in the woods and that it isn’t a bigfoot? or maybe that what everyone’s idea of what a bigfoot really is has been wrong? I get the impression that they will come out with something but not what we want it to be? I hate it when other people know things that I dont! LOL Now I’m confused.

  79. vampchick21 responds:

    I don’t know. Being into the paranormal I can’t count the number of times the promise of definitive proof was pending only to later learn it was a hoax or a misinterpretation of a camera anomaly or a bug or a person who was actually in the shot, etc, etc.

    I do think there is something out there, both in the paranormal and in cryptozoology. I just learned a long time ago to be wary of certain ‘types’ who make these kinds of promises.

    I’ll wait and see. That is all.

  80. Artist responds:

    Hey, wait a sec here…

    swnoel responds: “The sideshow will be the wackos coming out of the walls, save the BF, stop hunting, stop all forestry practices, eliminate all camping…”

    Interesting comment, but shouldn’t we be discussing the scientific, moral and legal ramifications of such a discovery? Only one location in the entire country – maybe the entire world – has laws protecting this creature in all its forms and versions, Sasquatch, Skunk Ape, Yeti, Snowman, Almas etc…

    If this is real, where do we go next? How do we approach the Scientists & Solons, Legislators & Lawyers, Dictators & Drumbeaters to help them recognize the reality of this beast, and to initiate, support and empower the rulings necessary to protect it?

    Where do we go from here? Ideas?

  81. Loren Coleman responds:

    I am only human. I get excited. I have hopes. I have doubts.

    I can positively tell you that no matter whether this is a real body or a massive hoax, this Georgia Gorilla story is worthy of my reportage, is a big story, and is going to teach us much about this field.

  82. Greg102 responds:

    If they genuinely have a body of an undiscovered animal. I would bet that it’s not going to be our view of Bigfoot per se.. Patterson Gimlin. Maybe it will be more of a “gorilla” aka SKUNK APE similar to the myakka photos. This would please everyone. Cryptozoology gets exposure for a new species of “primate” being discovered, and it gives all new hope in still trying to discover Bigfoot aka Patterson Gimlin.

  83. doubtingthomas responds:

    Two things:

    1. I’m reading between a few lines here, but i’m getting the impression that “something very unusual” HAS been found by Beavis and Buttsteak down in GA(forgive my derogatory tone. I just can’t forget their ridiculous behavior. Some children never mature.).

    It feels to me like a possibility that MAYBE a series of escapes by captive primates over a century and a half coupled with the large amount of wild land in GA *could* combine with a relatively benign climate to permit the survival and actual growth of a semi-indigenous primate population.

    There’s another less-appealing, and far more misogynistic possibility. But i’ll let sleeping ape-men lie. For now…

    2. It’s completely believable that a variety of large cryptid creatures could survive in North America, particularly if they were highly intelligent, extremely reclusive, and totally nocturnal.

    Not many people, comparitively, go traipsing around wild regions in the black of night. Far less than 1% of the population, i’d venture a guess. That would really make it a lot easier for a cryptid to survive.

    And- if these ARE primates- they could very well spend their days high in trees or dep in dark, recessed caves etc. Or even thick brush, of which GA has PLENTY.

    So- i don’t totally discount the possibility. Nor do i preclude the likelihood. I just hope these goobers don’t gain much/anything from any real discovery that occurs.

    My money is on a nocturnal ape population, maybe an unknown species, IF this is at all reall.

    Unfortunately, i totally believe that if this was any kind of sentient or pre-sentient being there’d be plenty of offical types involved and most likely the whole thing would have simply fizzled out by now. Or exploded.

    I’ll trust Loren’s judgement. And Blogsquatcher’s, since i’ve followed his blog over the last few months. Both, particularly Loren, are reasonable, intelligent people who’ve worked hard at bringing a level-headed approach to this issue.

    For Loren i especially hope this proves out, because it could make him a very, very hot commodity in the near future!

    Good luck to us all in this…

  84. MrDanger responds:

    Loren can you tell us if any other known bigfoot researchers are involved?

  85. Loren Coleman responds:

    Overthinking this leads to frustration. You will not have to wait long.

    Knowing how much this has rocketed way out in front of the “planned” schedule of exposure (check the calendar), I seriously doubt we will get to Friday before more comes out.

    The boiling kettle is building up so much steam I predict you will find a major network giving an explosive exclusive on this as soon as tomorrow or certainly by Thursday, with visuals.

  86. pre-cbs responds:

    Tom Biscardi might be labeled hoaxer but to me it is just a guy. People do make mistakes, people are sometimes bad but most important of all, people are always people. Non of us are perfect.

    The two guys might have stumbped upon the discovery of the century and perhaps they happened to know about Biscardi or heard of him. Where would you turn if you didn’t know any other than the one that made the biggest noise around him (as far as I understand he has gotten a lot more than his 15min in the spotlights no matter what he did to get it).

    Who am I to judge people I never met?

    Past is past and I am mainly interested in the future. Now the future is near:)

    I want to believe and in this case there is a 50% chance it is the real deal (great odds!!) So let’s be positive!!!

    If it is the real deal I wonder what it is.
    It would be exciting if it is a specious that is closer to us than the great apes. Perhaps a specious we can communicate with.

  87. Loren Coleman responds:

    “Loren, if possible, can you tell us why you have had such an about-face on this one.”

    I feel I would have to disagree with the assumption of this question. I have not changed my position. I have been openminded about the actual body from the beginning, but very reactive and upset about the two gentlemen who at that time were in control of the body.

    After the videos began to go over the top, I saw no reason to reinforce that behavior any longer by giving them media attention here. Interestingly, things did calm down.

    Things have changed now, dramatically, and I feel my focus can be on the mystery and reality of the body again.

    I retain my skeptical positive approach to this.

    Use your own judgement for what that means. It either is an actual mysterious body or the grandest hoax of the decade. Either one would have a massive impact, one way or the other, on cryptozoology.

    “Why are you referring to this creature as a Gorilla, Loren?”

    I did not call it specifically a Gorilla. I called it a “Georgia Gorilla,” to credit the location and to pull it away from the ego entanglements of discoveries. You will have to see later why I used that term, but let me give you a clue…read the passages I have at the bottom of page 38, through page 40, in my book Bigfoot!, to get an initial hint of why I employed this seemingly out-of-place name.

  88. Belfry responds:

    Georgia gorilla is not an example of alliteration.

  89. Roger Knights responds:

    The Doubleday dictionary defines “alliteration” thus:

    “The use or repetition of a succession of words with the same initial letter or sound, as in ‘The river running round the rock.'”

    “Georgia gorilla” qualifies.

  90. red_pill_junkie responds:

    Yes, RickMat is a terrible & egocentric name, BUT if this happens to be the real deal, and finally scientific unquestionable proof is presented, I do believe these guys would have earned the right to name their corpse whatever they want to. It wouldn’t be the first time people would try to immortalize their names instead of being balanced and fair-minded. That’s how the game is played.

    I’ll wait and see, and yes I’m too ready to eating my own words if need be.

    But those had better be REALLY good, big, crisp and highly detailed photos on that Press Conference.

  91. larrykat responds:

    More vitriol for the likely discoverers. Disgusting. Statements like “I just hope these goobers don’t gain much/anything from any real discovery that occurs” say much more about some of you than they do about their intended targets. Loren states it best – why couldn’t two random guys stumble across a body somewhere in the woods? There are more “random guys” walking around in the woods than there are “serious bigfoot trackers” like you all apparently think you are.

  92. PDNate responds:

    This is getting curious-er and curious-er!

    Side note: I would love to pat Ben Radford on his big bald head and say “disprove this” hahaha.

  93. Cryptid Hunt21 responds:

    I have no idea what to say. But even if this Georgia creature is real, then what about about the other bigfoot creatures? What about the Yeren, Yowie, Yeti, Orang Pendek and the Almas? Is science finally going to accept this new evidence and search for these cryptids?

  94. wigginz responds:

    I think Greg102 hit it on the head, reading the description of Skunk Ape on Wikipedia, follows just about exactly what the press release says:

    I can pretty much read between the lines and guess that Loren sees a Skunk Ape in the visual evidence he has seen.

    So, the next logical question… would it be a disappointment if it were a Skunk Ape as opposed to a Sasquatch? Could they be the same thing, or is it pretty accepted that they would be difference species?

  95. chicostick responds:

    First time poster…but I log on every day to read the latest.

    Loren sounds as if he is cautiously optimistic.
    His words kinda make this whole thing feel legit….
    I live here in Atlanta….downtown as a matter of fact.
    These guys live 15-20mins from me and not one news outlet has picked up this story. I think this deserves some sort of buzz somewhere (real or not real). You would think one of our local outfits (CNN is hdqtr’d here also) woulda picked this up considering we are talking about a couple of locals.

    Prove me and the rest of the skeptical folks wrong Georgia boyz!!
    Would love to see this materialize…..but won’t lose sleep over it either.

  96. korollocke responds:

    i know exactly what they have, live fairly close to the site, and yes theres more. this will be a shocker on many levels. but come on loren what did they donate or offer to save the museum, not that i would blame you one bit. friday is epoch.

  97. DontCryBigfoot responds:

    Let me assure you guys, from the photos I’ve seen, this is NOT a known species of anything science has ever seen before, it’s NOT an escaped gorrila that much I can promise you! The facial features of this creature are much more human-like than ape-like… yet not so much that it could ever be mistaken for a human, the creature does not have outward facing nostrils like those of the typical gorrila…. it instead has a nose MUCH like ours except it is large and flattened!

    Still not saying they have the “real deal”, but that it can ONLY be either the real thing or a total hoax…. it’s NOT a misidentified known animal, and that much I can guarantee you!

  98. Connie Gilbert responds:

    Hello, everyone! I’m new here! When I was a little girl back in the 60’s, I remember reading a news article several pages long in a newspaper my father had received in the mail about experiments Russian scientists in the late 1800’s, early 1900’s had done by mating humans and primates and succeeding-there was an actual photograph of one of these “creatures”. Mr.Loren Coleman and my fellow Crytozoologists, what do you think about this article that I read so many years ago?

  99. pdxbigfoot responds:

    I sat and had lunch with Tom Bascardi 2 weeks ago and at that point he was laughing at them. In my opinion something must of really shifted to get Tom to sway the other direction so he must be fairly convinced of the evidence before him.
    If this claim is true everything as we know it changes..everything!
    In my opinion its a crying shame that (if its true) these two gentlemen are the “chosen ones”…..i can think of transients that deserve this more….scheeesh!

  100. Belfry responds:

    Could it be a sew job? A gorilla torso with head and arms sewn to human legs with barbershop sweepings glued to them? I guess that would be worth a blurb in the national press.

    But at least these guys would get hauled away.

  101. Ole Bub responds:

    Good afternoon Cryptos…

    Like I posted weeks ago…even a blind hawg finds an acorn now and then…finally the “research” begins…JMHO

    For those with egg on their face…here’s a napkin you missed a spot.

    Let’s give credit where its due…the First Nations called this one…the body is an example of an “indigenous North American Aboriginal Peoples”…perhaps the pro kill camp will rethink their paradigm?

    live and let live…

    ole bub and the dawgs

  102. doubtingthomas responds:

    And, for the record: I truly, honestly, seriously *hope* I’m completely wrong about this “discovery”.

    Really, I do.

    And I’ll say no more on it all.

  103. fmurphy1970 responds:

    Whatever they may have found in Georgia, I would find it hard to believe that it is the same species of bipedal ape of the pacific coast, commonly called bigfoot or sasquatch. I have long thought that there must be at least two species of bipedal ape in North America, the Southern/Eastern ‘swamp ape’, and the larger Pacific Coast/NW Sasquatch. If this turns out to be real, I think it’s more likely to be related to Southern swamp ape. The other possibility is that it is a known ape species, but alien to the United States (i.e. escaped pet etc). From the blurred photo released of the animals head, I thought it looked more gorilla like, than man like. I stand to be corrected, but that’s just my feeling about it.

  104. jerrywayne responds:

    As a former advocate and now bigfoot skeptic, I would like to offer a few comments.

    1. I would like this story to be true. I hope it is.

    2. If it is not true, I hope it will conclusively be shown to be a hoax. Any equivocation will only make for more pseudo-evidence, i.e., the Iceman.

    3. So far, this story has not shown up on the mainstream media (to my knowledge). We should not discount, yet, the idea that this may be a hoax aimed less at the general public than at the crypto community in general, and at specific advocates, such as our kind host. (Thus, I hope our kind host has sources he can trust).

    4. If this turns out to be an unknown and surprising animal, then crytozoology will benefit in ways almost unimaginable. If it turns out to be a hoax, then cryptozoology will hopefully find a lesson to learn from it.

    5. Already, advocates are seeming to line up to say “I told you so” to skeptics and others. Well, I’ll offer a truce here and now, before the moment of truth. I’ll promise not to be smug if this is a hoax, if advocates promise not to gloat [SMILE].

  105. DontCryBigfoot responds:

    Belfry, if this is a hoax, I would have to say they had some help from someone in the movie special effects business, possibly a very detailed costume sown around a humanoid mannequin.

    Ole bub, no one has egg on their face just yet. Yes they have something, but now they have to prove that it’s real!

  106. DontCryBigfoot responds:

    Oh, one more thing, the “sneak” photo of the “head” peeking from the freezer in their last video is nothing like the very clear and detailed photos I’ve seen of the “corpse”. Possibly just another gag to get everyone riled up again.

  107. fossilhunter responds:

    Just curious, do you think the announcement on Friday cover all the info you’ve been shown?

    Here’s hoping!!

  108. Exactly Squatch responds:

    I live about 10 minutes from where the body will be unveiled. Anyone wanna secure me a press pass on behalf of Cryptomundo?

    Come on, I’ll hold my breath real long!

    If this turns out to be true, I’m gonna just LOVE reading the jref forums. “No, no… we were saying that the Patterson film was fake… not Bigfoot. Yeah, uh, uh… we always knew there was a possibility of Bigfoot being real.”

    Crows of the world beware!

    Please people, think of the crows.

  109. Loren Coleman responds:

    “///come on loren what did they donate or offer to save the museum, not that i would blame you one bit. friday is epoch.”

    Not funny. The above comment is insulting. Millions are going to be made in this, I’m sure, but not by me.

    I can tell you that nothing has been given or donated to me for any thing you have heard from me, my opinions, my postings, or nothing. I retain my role as an unpaid, objective observer. However, if anyone wants to send me any money so I can make more objective observations, I’d be glad to earn some money doing that too. Or stay above it all with donations to the museum, of course.

    Nope, sorry to disappoint such a simple theory, but, no, I have gotten no money from anyone in Georgia, Biscardi, or anyone else involved with this body business.

  110. Harlequin responds:

    Have some faith in Loren, people. He’s always shown a great amount of integrity in the past — if he hadn’t, why would any of us keep reading his postings on Cryptomundo? Loren accepting money should be the furthest thing on our minds right now, especially if something actually does happen on or before Friday!

    And I’m personally rooting for Thursday. What a great birthday present that would be!

  111. Harlequin responds:

    It should actually be the furthest thing FROM our minds, not ON them… but as long as it’s far, I don’t mind.

  112. Exactly Squatch responds:

    On a serious note…

    Loren, I just want you to know that I was not excited by the Georgia Gorilla find UNTIL I read today’s blog. I see that many people feel the same way. Don’t allow insulting comments ruin this potentially momentous occasion for you.

    You, sir, have our respect. In such a troubled world, respect is something very hard to gain and even harder to keep.

    Thank you for doing what you do and for being who you are.

  113. NightFlight responds:

    Loren, if this turns out to be the real deal as you have alluringly alluded to (how’s that for alliteration?) how will this affect the IRS conclusion that things like bigfoot don’t exist and thusly neither should your museum exist in your house? I hope and pray they too will eat crow (if this really is real!). I know I will start a letter campaign to senators and congressmen on Saturday if this becomes the real thing. I’ve had my run-ins with the IRS and thank goodness for senators we got it resolved quickly. Much good luck and I’m going to work on my end for this.

  114. Roger Knights responds:

    “It’s about sound.” You’re saying that the combination of a hard G and a soft G doesn’t qualify as alliteration, but dictionaries such as the one I quoted don’t agree with your restrictive definition. Here are more:

    “The repetition of the same letter at the beginning of two or more words immediately succeeding each other”
    –Webster’s Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

    “use of the same consonant at the beginning of each stressed syllable in a line of verse;”
    –WordNet 2.0 Copyright 2003 by Princeton University.

    “use of similar consonants: a poetic or literary effect achieved by using several words that begin with the same or similar consonants, as in “Whither wilt thou wander, wayfarer?”
    [Early 17th century. consonant (consonantal alliteration) or of a vowel, not necessarily the same vowel (vocalic alliteration), at the beginning of each word or each stressed syllable in a line of verse,”
    –Collins English Dictionary

    “the occurrence of the same letter or sound at the beginning of adjacent or closely connected words.”
    — The Oxford Pocket Dictionary of Current English | Date: 2008

    The following unabridged dictionary gives both the tight and the loose definitions, with the tight one first, implying it is the preferred definition:

    “1. The commencement of two or more stressed syllables of a word group either with the same consonant sound or sound group … or with a vowel sound …

    “2. The commencement of two or more words of a word group with the same letter ….”

    IOW, the following statement by “Belfry” is too strong: “Georgia gorilla is not an example of alliteration.” Maybe it oughtn’t to be–and some folks have defined it as it ought to be defined–but that’s not enough. Only the following statements are justified: “Georgia gorilla is not an example of same-sound alliteration” or “Georgia gorilla is only borderline alliteration.”

  115. gridbug responds:

    Gorgeous Gorilla = alliteration. :)

    Any chance that Biscardi will let further details slip on his weekly Bigfoot radio show tomorrow?

    Is it wrong that I feel like a kid at Christmas Eve? Hoping that the package under the tree is what I really and truly asked for, and not a package of underwear. Again.


  116. MrDanger responds:


    Can you please tell us if any other BF researchers are involved please?

  117. kentmcmanigal responds:

    If this is a hoax, I will be all the more angry because they have pulled a person I really respect, Loren Coleman, into this. They had better be on the level with this thing.

  118. Drosselmeyer responds:

    Well, here’s to hoping that Friday will be a big day in zoological history.

    I’m a firm believer of the thoughtform/Tulpa theory. I lean more heavily towards Forteana than cryptids. I do believe there are large undiscovered animals out there, especially in the ocean, but Bigfoot I believe is unlikely to be one of them.

    Such creatures are seen all over the world, including England, where a large hominid could not have gone undiscovered for long, and especially not in this day and age. Every inch of England has been explored. There’s simply no room for it to exist as a flesh-and-blood creature.

    Even though I think the likes of Bigfoot/Yeti/Sasquatch etc. are paranormal in origin rather than undiscovered animals, I hope I am proved wrong in the following days.

    It would make the world so much more interesting.

  119. Chuckles responds:

    I’m sorry, but if someone had the ability and know how back in the mid-1960’s to manifest a creature, known as the “Minnesota Iceman”, for moneymaking display at carnivals and fairgrounds, then I’m not buying into all the excitement about the “Georgia Gorilla.” Frank Hansen, owner of the Iceman, openly admitted that there were two versions of the Iceman; one purportedly real and the other a replica. He said that he exhibited only the replica at the carnivals and fairgrounds due to the real Iceman’s value and fragility. The only reaction I get when thinking about the possibility of a “Georgia Gorilla” is a real strong feeling of deja vu. Yes, new discoveries are important, but so is one’s personal credibility. Everyone be very, very careful with this one. If, in fact, the Georgia boys have what they say, then I would seriously suggest that they invest some of their newly found money in a school that teaches interpersonal skills, because they sorely lack those skills at the moment. I dismiss the involvement of Biscardi – the modern day Barnum – in this as a money grubbing venture. If the Georgia boys aren’t careful they won’t have even enough money left for the interpersonal skill classes.

    P.S. Has anyone checked the zoo’s in the S.E. United States to see if they’ve had a gorilla or large ape pass away recently? Yes, I’m that convinced that this whole thing is a farce.

  120. Greg102 responds:

    I hope at this press conference there is a credentialed scientist who performed the DNA analysis and this scientist tells the press the factual results of the DNA sample. Anything less, will be a little disappointing with regards to the DNA. Clear pictures will be great, but DNA by a bonfide scientist by a respectable lab will mean much much more!

  121. Buzzard responds:

    I really hope that this story is true, but based on the circus that these two gentlemen created leading up to this conference, I am doubtful… and who wouldn’t be? If Mr Whitton and Mr Dyer had handled themselves in a more professional manner, then I would be more excited. Wearing Santa hats and talking trash on youtube does nothing but decrease credibility in my opinion. It doesn’t mean they don’t have a body, it simply decreases credibility. The one and ONLY reason why I am even considering getting my hopes is because of Mr Coleman’s post. I have great respect for you sir.

  122. Roger Knights responds:

    Wouldn’t it be awful if this was Penn & Teller’s Act II?

  123. clancyryan responds:

    @ connie gilbert
    there’s a whole episode of monsterquest devoted to all that. if you dont want to bother watching it…

    it turns out that the experiments didnt work.

  124. jgarden responds:

    I’m curious: While I read Loren’s comments, I can’t help but feel that there is a veiled message in them as some other readers have pointed out. I currently live very, very close to the geographic area of this ‘find’. (1)A large mammal or population of mammals would have a difficult time surviving (unless very nomadic or migratory) a north Georgia winter unnoticed; while somewhat mountainous in topography the forests are devoid of sustaining cover or foliage in the winter; (2) to support homeostasis in that climate would require: hibernation, or large quantities of energy metabolising carbohydrates and protein. (3) the ‘find’ area is a very short drive from a highly populated county just north of Atlanta. A county that has doubled in population and development over the last 10 years. We’re talking about explosive growth and commercial and residential building. (4) Loren’s own comments seem to suggest that our friends at BT quite possibly have something other than what they think they have, so in theory they could simply come across as ‘innocent’ in their claims of a BF, but still may end up with some notoriety for having found an unknown species of primate in North America, or an out of place species in North America, if in fact they are in possession of a real organism at all; (5) certain aspects of the story simply don’t make sense and smell of a hoax on a grand scale and finally – not to rant (6) using simple powers of observation in regard to the ‘freezer photos’ – why a black and white photograph in the age of digital, accessible photography and using some common sense – that would have to be a massive freezer ! If the ‘body’ in the photo had proportions even relatively similiar to a human based on years worth of observation (and my own measurements) where are the shoulders ? At nearly 6 feet across (based on the stated measurements) the shoulders would be prominant in the photo, clearly extending up the sides of the freezer (if on it’s side), and possibly obscuring the head/face from view (if on it’s back). Remember the ‘body’ was in a state of rigor when they found it – how did they stuff it into a chest type freezer and still have a ‘clear’ view of the head/face; and in looking at the proportions of the ‘head’ in comparison to the shots of the freezer and the width, I just don’t see a body that large fitting in that easily. But who knows I could be wrong. These two ‘lucky’ individuals might just be intellectually challenged enough to mess up what would be undisputable, scientific proof of the existence of BF and an answer to one of the world’s greatest mysteries of the 20th and 21st centuries. (And having forgotten to include non biased, neutral and objective scientists, authorities and media in the process.) In my opinion, I don’t think the answer to the BF question lies in Clayton County GA. A hypothetical or theoretical one maybe, but not the one that I’m looking for. I would have called National Geographic, and Jane Goodall for starters for the right direction. Then I would have called my accountant, forget $1M – $10M, the find would be without question, and would be priceless.

  125. loyalfromlondon responds:

    I had a sighting in the mid 90’s as a teenager. This news excites and worries me beyond words.

    If it real, really real, a lot of skeptics will be eating crow and I’ll sleep soundly.

    And if its yet another fraud, I’ll continue to be that weird guy that claimed he saw a monster one spring morning.

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