Bigfoot Tooth Found?
Posted by: Loren Coleman on December 27th, 2006
Has a recent hairy hominoid encounter with a respected Cherokee elder produced physical evidence of a Bigfoot? A tooth? What do you see in the way of the reported Sasquatch canine?
According to one witness, this is what the Hebbardsville creatures look like. Described as averaging 8 feet tall, 400 lbs. with black skin and long arms that hang below the knees which they use in order to run swiftly. Flat, bearded face with receding chin-line, broad nose, thin lips and dark brown eyes beneath a prominent brow ridge. Covered in short hair with longer fringes about the beard, back of head and genital areas. Low forehead with hair “like a man’s combed straight back” (sketch by B.M.Nunnelly, 2006).
The report and photographs are shared here by Kentucky Bigfoot researcher Barton Nunnelly.
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The alleged Bigfoot tooth which resembles a human canine, only much larger. Throughout the 19th and early parts of the 20th centuries many many sources cite the discovery of giant human-like skeletal remains in the Bluegrass state, the vast majority having been found buried in Native American Indian burial grounds or mounds. The witness’ mother related to him before her death that she had personally witnessed the excavation of one such grave In Beals, Ky., between Spottsville and Reed, back in the 1920’s. It was discovered during the process of building a bridge over a large creek. The bones were measured and found to be nearly 12 ft. tall! The giants remains passed into private ownership and their whereabouts went unrecorded, (photo by B.M.Nunnelly, 2006).
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Location in Hebbardsville, where witnesses reportedly regularly observed Bigfoot creatures eating roots and grass. This creek, which runs along the Green River, was a primary route of travel for the creatures according to witnesses, (photo by B.M.Nunnelly, 2006).
These are the reports, as detailed and written by B. M. Nunnelly. (They are unedited by Cryptomundo, and are given as recorded.)
Bigfoot and the Great Hill
Hebbardsville, Kentucky
(The names of the locations in this report have been intentionally altered.)
Not long ago I learned from a local paranormal investigator friend of mine about an old Cherokee fellow who also claimed to be a Hebbardsville Bigfoot witness. A phone interview was arranged and conducted in Nov., 2006. The information proved correct. Not only did the witness describe repeated, often at will, sightings of groups of these creatures since his childhood, he also claimed to be in possession of what he was convinced was an actual tooth, which he described as a canine, from one of these creatures. Moreover he could describe, in great detail, the physiological features, general attitudes and behavior of these mysterious “Hillbillies’, known to the rest of the world as ‘Bigfoot’. After several more phone interviews a meeting was arranged and, under the promise of strict anonymity, M.F. (not his real initials) agreed to allow me to photograph the alleged Bigfoot canine for possible identification. I arrived on the 17th of Dec., 2006. M. F. Lived only a short drive from the Hebbardsville area, only a twenty minute drive from my own doorstep. I found the gentleman to be pleasant, friendly, down to earth and of obvious intelligence. He immediately pulled the tooth out of his pocket. It did resemble a human canine, or eye, tooth, only about three times as large. I examined it and noted the obvious authenticity and great antiquity of the object, taking several photographs. It was complete with root system still attached. He would allow no DNA testing, he had told me during one of our phone conversations, because to do this would mean that at least a partial destruction of the tooth would occur. Nor would he allow it to depart his possession in any way. As a matter of fact, he didn’t really care at all to try and prove the existence of these things to anyone. They had always been a fact of life to his own people. Evidence of his Cherokee heritage was strewn about his yard, flower beds and doorsteps, and worn proudly around his neck. They were the ‘Old People of the Forest’, he told me, and their reality caused no controversy except to the whites. It would be amusing if not for the fact that , in their ignorance, the logging and mining of the white man was causing the rapid desecration and destruction of the Bigfoot’s habitat. Land considered sacred by the Indians since the beginning of history. There was daylight left. He asked me if I cared to take a ride. M. F.’s story was an interesting one. He had first been exposed to the creatures while growing up in the Spottsville, Reed areas, although at least two earlier generations of his family had their own tales of sightings and strange happenings. He remembered his great grandfather recounting how he had run outside one night after he’d heard some kind of commotion to see one of the old people carrying off two of his full grown sows, one under each arm like they were piglets. It swiftly made its escape even though the pigs weighed about 200 lbs. each! Around the time of the “Spottsville Monster” events his brother was finding strangely mutilated dead cattle. He had lost six head that year. Literally. All six carcasses were found with their heads torn off and missing. They only found one head, he claimed, and it was stripped to the bone and missing the lower mandible. None of the other meat on the carcasses was consumed. When the family moved across the Green River to Hebbardsville the sightings continued. In fact, he claimed that from the late 1960’s until the early to mid 70’s hardly any weekend went by when he and a car load of friends didn’t park near the intersection of Ash Flats and Old Bell roads and observe groups of these creatures, ranging in number from four individuals up to as many as fifteen or better, engaged in the act of eating bitter roots and grass. Countless sightings, he claimed, by dozens of different individuals. “Were they hairy Indians?” I asked. No, he said. They were not Indians of any type. They had black skin and an average size of eight to ten feet tall, although he had seen one awhile back that was at least a twelve footer. Their eyes were a dark brown color with no visible whites or irises. They were bearded, had thin lips, a weak chin and a flat, wide nose like individuals of African descent. They had normal looking hands of a large size with pale colored palms, but their feet had an opposing toe sticking out at an angle away from the other four toes, like an ape’s or chimp’s. They had extremely long arms which hung down past their knees and could run quadrupedally 35 to 40 mph. The females also possessed beards, though shorter than the males. They were of more stocky build, had furry breasts and carried their young beneath them clinging to their bellies. He described the males as being covered with short, straight, usually dark hair, with longer areas of about six inches at the beard, backs of the head and genital areas. “Pull over here”. He said as we approached a medium sized muddy creek at the Old Bell, Ash Flats location. I pulled over and we got out. This was the location, he told me, that he and scores of friends had witnessed these creatures feeding countless times. They didn’t seem to mind being watched, he said. Unless someone got out of the car. Then they would all rush into the creek and be gone in an instant. They traveled the creeks, he claimed. The water would wash away the tracks and they were excellent swimmers if the water was up. After photographing the location I asked him if he could take me to where he found the tooth. He would take me there, he replied, if I promised never to disclose the location. It was a sacred place, he explained. A burial place of the Cherokee people and home to other powerful legendary beings as well as the old people. I agreed and we got back into my four wheel drive. We traveled a short distance from the Pleasant Hill area and stopped. “Follow me…” he said, and started up a thickly forested ridge. Although he was nearly 60 years old he ascended the steep terrain as nimbly as a jack rabbit and, after a short but vigorous trek, we crested another large hill and stopped. “Look freely.” he said. “Take pictures, but nothing else”. I looked around. We stood at the rim of a forested ridge which wound around the area like a dark circle, forming an impressive natural amphitheater. The bottom of the ‘bowl’ formation was mostly clear and somehow comfortable looking even now. All around me were graves, stacked in layers. Some ancient beyond reckoning. Many were marked with stones onto which Cherokee pictographs and letters were carved. I had hunted Indian artifacts nearly all my life but had never seen a single stone in Henderson county bearing intact Native American images or writing. Now I was surrounded by them. “This place is called “The Great Hill” by my people.” The Great Hill. Here was buried the bodies of the famous Cherokee chieftain, Double Head, his daughter, Corn Blossom and countless others. I snapped pictures one after another while the sunlight faded much too swiftly. Daniel Boone, pioneer hero of old, had written of this place. Twice he was held captive here and twice he was freed or escaped. Two heavily weathered stones still bore his name and short messages, carved there by Boone’s own hand during his captivity. Still other stones were carven with images of corn stalks, deer and sun. Three stones contained the likenesses of strange faces. No one knew who most of the graves belonged to. Great chiefs of antiquity whose names were lost forever. Stone circles were present. Raking back the dead leaves revealed a wealth of flint artifacts still lying where their makers had placed them generations ago. During heavy rains some of the graves would wash out, M. F. told me. He had needed to re-inter some of the bones on occasion. He had found the tooth several years ago here, at the foot of the hill, washed up by the rushing water. No other creature of this area had teeth like it, he felt sure. With his help I was able to sketch a facial study of these particular humanoid’s features for all to view. I would like to express my gratitude to this man for agreeing to speak with me, sharing some secrets and showing
me such interesting, and historically significant locations. Locations unlike any other that I have ever personally witnessed.
The “Hebbardsville Hillbillies” – Investigated by B. M. Nunnelly on 12-19-06
On Sunday, Dec. 17th, 2006 I headed out to investigate rumors that large, hirsute, bipedal humanoids were still being seen in Hebbardsville, Ky. Henderson County. In the early winter of 2004 witnesses in a parked vehicle at a place called Negro Hill, Pleasant Valley Rd. reportedly observed two large, hairy, manlike creatures in a field below in the act of pulling up and eating the roots of old corn stalks. One was a dark brown color, they claimed, while the other appeared to have white hair. Though shaken, they returned the next day to find trace evidence in the form of uprooted stalks and prints. The area, just across the Green River from Reed and Spottsville Ky., has a long history of hairy monster sightings and the creature was dubbed the ‘Hebbardsville Hillbilly’ by the local press and residents of Hebbardsville. It was also claimed that a strange bed, made of grass and Switch Cane plants, was discovered in an old, abandoned dwelling in the woods at the end of Pleasant Hill Rd. I planned to visit said locations to have a look around and take pictures and, with the help of my guide, Greg Tackett, family friend and one time Hebbardsville resident, was able to arrive at Pleasant Hill Rd. in an expeditious manner. He knew both the area and the story well, he claimed, and promised to lead me to the exact locations in question with no trouble at all. Moreover, I had been given the contact info by a mutual friend of another Hebbardsville Bigfoot witness who had made some startling claims to me regarding Bigfoot in the area and had scheduled an interview with him for later that afternoon. I had visited the area the previous day to reconnoiter, parking at the old church on Negro Hill and looking down at the many fields, creeks, wind-breaks and forests of the Green River bottomlands. The entire area, known as the ‘county ditch’ as it takes on all the water that the highlands shed, is littered with Indian artifacts and ancient burial mounds, mute testimony to the two Native American tribes that once called this place home; the peaceful Cherokee and the war hungry Shawnee just across the river. The Shawnee, I’m told, would often steal across the river in their canoes under cover of darkness, to raid the Cherokee, stealing their women and children and murdering the warriors. The particularly violent history of much of Western Kentucky is startling, and it is easy to see how such a place, once called ‘the dark and bloody ground’, could give birth to many dark legends which still cause locals to shudder even now. We would have to take the long way around, Greg informed me, as the woods where the old house was located at the far end of Negro Hill was owned by a local logging/mining co. and posted. We planned to come in from the bottom field where the creatures were initially sighted and work our way eastward to the old home site, which was located on Book Lane, a part of what is known locally as the “Ash Flats’. We found the lane under 2 ft. of mud and water and realized that the only way to continue was on foot. Greg, however, was undaunted and as eager to carry on as I was and I am very grateful for his stern resolve to make good on a promise that he had made to me months earlier. After a few minutes trek we were in the field below the wooded hill and I was able to take photos of the old church from below. We walked for another hour before we made it to the house site, but, unfortunately, it was no longer there. Evidently the logging co. had torn it down and bull-dozed the entire area several months before, turning the once verdant forests into nothing more than rolling grassland, a fate that still awaits much of the Hebbardsville river bottoms. My only regret was that I had arrived too late to investigate and photograph the alleged Bigfoot nesting place.
About Loren Coleman
Loren Coleman is one of the world’s leading cryptozoologists, some say “the” leading living cryptozoologist. Certainly, he is acknowledged as the current living American researcher and writer who has most popularized cryptozoology in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
Starting his fieldwork and investigations in 1960, after traveling and trekking extensively in pursuit of cryptozoological mysteries, Coleman began writing to share his experiences in 1969. An honorary member of Ivan T. Sanderson’s Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained in the 1970s, Coleman has been bestowed with similar honorary memberships of the North Idaho College Cryptozoology Club in 1983, and in subsequent years, that of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, CryptoSafari International, and other international organizations. He was also a Life Member and Benefactor of the International Society of Cryptozoology (now-defunct).
Loren Coleman’s daily blog, as a member of the Cryptomundo Team, served as an ongoing avenue of communication for the ever-growing body of cryptozoo news from 2005 through 2013. He returned as an infrequent contributor beginning Halloween week of 2015.
Coleman is the founder in 2003, and current director of the International Cryptozoology Museum in Portland, Maine.
It’s people like this that I can find myself trusting more. No obvious signs of financial gain and an apparent love and respect for that which he speaks of. Interesting indeed.
Once again, we have a claim involving photographic evidence of some sort. (In this case, the intact sacred ground where the tooth was found.) This claim without that additional, key evidence is pretty useless. The photographic evidence wouldn’t even be particularly sensational, given that it would show simply old graves and possibly some engravings or artifacts, easily hoaxed or misrepresented. Still, omitting them entirely (while including some very mundane photos showing multiple similar views of the same featureless terrain) makes this reek to high heaven.
In short: people, if you’re going to hoax, put your back into it! Make some effort, at least!
Alright all you dentists and veterinarians out there – how does it look?
I was going to link to a very detailed academic article about an unknown primate tooth found in Russia not too long ago. But for some reason the link doesn’t work. If anyone can find a link to it that works I’d appreciate it. (I wonder if someone made it disappear on purpose)
Wish I could verify these stories. A secret Indian graveyard, a really good yarn, and a photograph of a tooth doesn’t sound convincing to me. As for the second story, a search for “Hebbardsville Hillbilly” yields no results at Google. Strange considering how these Bigfoot have been seen so much they have a local pet name. I searched around for about 20 minutes trying to find a newspaper for Hebbardsville but had no luck. Maybe somebody else can do better than I.
I’m not a dentist, so you tell me.
I do think it’s kind of funny that so many of us are so skeptical of something that so many others see as so obviously true. But until those of us former see it just as those latter have, we have to remain skeptics.
I still think it’s suspicious that with all this bone excavation and tooth finding, science hasn’t pronounced genuine one piece of evidence. But I also empathize — in fact sympathize — with those who don’t care what science thinks. Given that they see science as so obviously off on this, it’s easy to understand.
This story reminds me of all the other old reports of giant skeletons found in the last few centuries. Over the years, as reports of ‘bigfoot’ have become more well known, I have wondered about the skeletons. Is there any study showing how widespread this phenomena is? The ancient graves of ‘giants’, that is.
The pictures are not very good, but I suppose it is more likely a premolar than a caninus. For a caninus it would be very unusual to have a forked root(this can occur, but it´s very rare), and the overall shape would be strange. Premolars have in general one or two roots, and in this case it would have only one. In humans the first and second lower premolar have in general only one root and in the upper jaw the first premolar has in most cases two and the second one normally one root. For further examination better pictures, especially from the occlusal region would be neccesary.
I heard Dr. Grover Krantz once say that even if he had a bigfoot carcass that he dragged along behind him to all the lectures he gave, there would still be people who wouldn’t believe it exists. I think that’s how mainstream science is & will continue to be. I think the reason for this is that if a creature often referred to as a “missing link” were found to exist along side us, it would blow a gaping hole in the theory of evolution. Not only has the theory of evolution been accepted since 1859, but many other theories have been formed based on it.
This tooth shows also clearly a stabilizing and a shearing hump, from which the later one is comparably long. Interestingly other apes like chimpanzees have in general premolars with much more roots, so there is a closer resemblence to Homo sapiens.
Interesting pics here, but it is not going to be enough to go on. I really hope that this is going to be studied further and that we will get more in depth information than just a couple of photos in the near future. Interesting info from Sordes about the teeth, but I am going to wait for a more detailed analysis of the actual specimen before making any opinions on this one.
Interesting article in many ways, it gives us an insight into what Native American’s think of as something that has always been there and not to mess with it. Perhaps we should take their lead?
At first glance the tooth does appear to be close to the common canine, however canine teeth tend not to have a forked-root system (lobed root), rather they more often have a single root basis. Typical canine teeth also have a curvature to them, wherein the tooth in this image is linear with little or no curvature.
What is visible on the tooth seems to be:
Cemento-enamel junction
Crown (enamel)
Cemento
Using the writing instrument (picture) shown as a rough scale measurement, the tooth and root would be roughly 1.5-2” in length (most standard pens / pencils range from around 4.75-6” in length). The visible portion of the tooth then, again approximately from the image, is .45-.6 inches, or roughly 30% of the length of the entire tooth. The width of the tooth (at the crown not the root) would be around .300 – .4.
The pen however is unknown in actual length, and without an accurate scaling method this is strictly supposition, equal as well to using the image of the hand. The differing perspectives give one the appearance of different sizes.
The record length, currently for a human incisor is 2.28 cm (.90 inches) held by Mark Henry of Ontario, Canada as of December 2005 (at age 9). Teeth can reach the range of .40-.50 inches on a regular basis (not all the teeth mind you).
I would agree with the other folks though, a more thorough examination with measurements and dental impressions would be viable. These images are not distinct enough.
Craig Heinselman
Peterborough, NH
I do think it is interesting, however, that it has been said that this is like a Homo sapiens tooth. Considering Bigfoot is thought to be closely related to us, this would stand to reason. Curious.
While it could easily be a hoax, yet I can certainly understand people not wanting their cemeteries dug up. It is hardly atypical for pre-Columbian peoples to keep such places secret.
Does the individual with the tooth realize that DNA can be taken from the root without damaging the visible portion of the tooth? That doing so could result in the critters being protected, and their habitat preserved?
The Tserokee(sp?) became Christian early enough on that they synthesized that with their previous culture producing something new, advanced, unique and intellectual, so would taboos concerning napes have survived?
The critter described is interesting – the size of the PNE types, but with the opposed toe of the eastern, much smaller, napes that Loren in particular, has studied.
Old corn roots? What would they get from those except fiber? I grew up on a farm. Old corn roots don’t even decompose very rapidly – taking years. Why would they eat them?
I was thinking the same as Sordes, canines have only one root.
I’m no dentist but I did get to handle a jaw with similar teeth once. It was from a cave bear.
(I’m glad I wasn’t alive back then!)
How does this tooth compare to bears?
First I would like to know who’s closet are all these Giant skeletons in? As for the tooth, need I say it? DNA report please.
I would say this is a hoax or false claim. Why? Well we would have the answer if the tooth owner would let it be DNA tested. But he will not, bla, bla, bla… How typical! Plus he does not want anyone else to disturb the sacred grave site, yet he took the tooth found there! This is plain hogwash! Too bad because if this fellow really wanted to protect Bigfoot, he would allow DNA testing. Should such testing prove the existence of Bigfoot, then all sorts of laws would be written to protect the endangered creatures. Unless Science gets to examine the tooth, this story is a waste of time.
Cabochris,
While I’m not saying this is a legitimate claim, I wanted to comment on a few of your statements.
[Well we would have the answer if the tooth owner would let it be DNA tested. But he will not, bla, bla, bla… How typical!]
This gentleman may not know that DNA testing would not harm his specimen, and It seems to me a smart thing to ensure at all times that his evidence does not leave his grasp. How many times have we heard about evidence being turned into “authorities” such as police, scientific institutions, the goverment or even universities and never heard from again – the evidence just disappears!
[Plus he does not want anyone else to disturb the sacred grave site, yet he took the tooth found there! This is plain hogwash!]
Not necessarily Hogwash. He was not wanting outsiders to know where the place is and disturb the Native Americans buried there. He made it clear that the tooth was found in another location, and that he was certain it was not from a human. So, he isn’t really contradicting himself.
Overall, what I find more interesting is what he has to say about the description of the creatures. He talks about the average height of them, but discusses the variance of one individual in particular which was much larger than the others.
Also, he matter of factly states a few very interesting behavioral characteristics. First, that the creatures did not mind being watched from inside a car. They bolted, however, as soon as anyone got out of the car. I find this much like how prey exits quickly as soon as people or other creatures fit the profile (in this case a standing up human) of a predator. Here is another example of this. When my wife and I were in India, we went on a trek to find wildlife. We heard two different types of deer a few times near us while walking, but never caught sight of them. Later when we were riding on an elephant, however, we got within 30 feet of a few deer, and they seemed not at all bothered by us. I believe it is because they associated us with the elephant, instead of as separate entities.
Second, the idea that they travel in and along creeks. This is mentioned in many places, and it easily explains why fewer footprints are found than would be expected.
cabochris says”I would say this is a hoax or false claim. Why? Well we would have the answer if the tooth owner would let it be DNA tested. But he will not, bla, bla, bla… How typical! Plus he does not want anyone else to disturb the sacred grave site, yet he took the tooth found there! This is plain hogwash! Too bad because if this fellow really wanted to protect Bigfoot, he would allow DNA testing. Should such testing prove the existence of Bigfoot, then all sorts of laws would be written to protect the endangered creatures”
1st:He found it at the foot of the hill after it had been washedoutof the burial ground.
2nd:Proving Bigfoot exists wouldn’t necessarily bring about laws to protect it. I think the DNR here in WV. would likely sell hunting permits for it.Snce the coal industry is in such bad shape here, hunting & fishing are very important to the economy of the state.
I’m going to be a little bit kinder than cabochris on this one although I do agree with the main points of his post.
DNA testing is a must, it is the only definitive proof one way or the other. However if I were the owner of the tooth I would be more than a little concerned about what might happen to it while out of my care. Things get lost and damaged all the time and if this turns out to be either a NAPEs, BF or even a cave bear it cannot be replaced. Not to mention there is always the lurking fear that it may turn out to be nothing special at all.
As for digging up a sacred spot, thats far more touchy a subject. As a science based person, if the excavation was done by anthropologists and archeologist working in tandem I’d be okay with it. But when its your granny who is having her remains disturbed, well it gets much more personal and emotional and I wouldn’t feel comfortable forcing anyone to make that decision. (in fact often court orders must be obtained for this sort of thing)
Still, it is a interesting story to keep in the files and see if anything ever becomes of it.
I think this tooth could easily lead to the misinterpretation that the “forked root” is the root and the “apex” is the apex. But it is most probably that this tooth has only one root and the “forked root” is only the crown of the premolar. The premolars of bears look in general completely different, and it differs also to that of for example a gorilla, because it has only one root.
Maybe the tooth is broken or worn in such a way that it appears to be “forked” but it really isn’t? Certainly an interesting discovery, about which I would love to learn more.
Teeth often retain DNA. Maybe this one could be forensically analyzed, possibly at UK, to try to determine its origin.
I’m confused. There is no “Green River” near Henderson County Kentucky. How about the Ohio River? Next, Daniel Boone was captured by Shawnee, not Cherokee.
The tooth is ancient? Well, cave bear, wolf, Uncle Bob, could be anything. A self appointed “Cherokee elder”? In Western Kentucky? I’m sorry, my “hoax meter” keeps going off as I re-read the stories.
Good campfire story.
Please note this statement by Bart Nunnelly:
The names of the locations in this report have been intentionally altered.
Nunnelly will be answering some of these questions later, but I understand there is a Green River.
Hmmmm? Is it just me, or do these look like two different teeth? It might be the way they are being presented. But in these photos, man they sure look like two different teeth to me.
I’m no kind of tooth expert, but I would like to see a more thorough comparison with bear teeth, keeping in mind, as was noted above, that we’re not 100% sure which end of this tooth is up, or that it’s intact (that is, that there is no damaged area which has been worn smooth over time and thus may not be obvious from the photos).
I do not want to cast aspersions on any person I do not know. What we have so far, though, is a single witness (citing another witness, the Cherokee man “M.F.”, whose name is not given), secrecy, allusions to Native beliefs and old stories… I’m going to get downright cynical one of these days.
As to the bones of giant primates in N. America: yes, there are many stories about the finding of giant remains. Loren has collected newspaper and other accounts, as have other writers like Hall and Keel. The common factor is always that not a single bone, tooth, etc. has been preserved. We have no way of knowing if any of these accounts were valid. Given that, they are not evidence by themselves. If we find a living giant primate (sasquatch), then we can look back and see which of these accounts included features that would indicate they might indeed have been genuine and sasquatch-related. But for now, we have zip.
Interesting … feet like an ape or chimp
4 to 15 animals, but you can’t find tracks because they travel by water.
BF tooth but you can’t test the DNA
Interesting indeed….
Couple points:
– Maybe Nunnelly can disclose the exact make and model of the pencil or pen for comparison purposes. (Note to future investigators – always carry a ruler or tape measure and try to take clear close-up shots.)
– I’d urge posters to be a little more polite. The owner of the tooth may be reading this and insulting him doesn’t increase the chances of him providing further information.
– Perhaps Nunnelly could meet with the witness again, after having a discussion with some dentists, anthropologists, scientists, etc. as to what they need to do a comprehensive and conclusive study. So they could tell him what pictures and measurements they need, maybe he could get the material necessary to make impressions/casts, etc.
– The corn root information is interesting. Maybe because they last so long in the ground the cryptids use them as a seasonal food of last resort.(That’s if they exist, of course.)
– There are no recorded sightings for Henderson County in the BFRO database, but there are some sightings documented from fairly nearby counties.
Now that’s a tooth! Is there anyway to get dna out of that? I know that age would be a variable, but still, at least the species it’s from.
heinselman-
Are you saying that the record length for a human tooth is .9 inches and that this tooth, at 1.5-2 inches, would be anomalous if it were human? Or was I reading what you wrote wrong? (You didn’t state whether the human record of .9 was root & tip or just tip.)
hey loren & everyone this is a great new article about a possible sasquatch tooth… very informative indeed. thanks bill
Concerning the place names, it doesn’t seem there’s much disguising, unless he’s naming places which are real but not the right ones. Yes, there’s a green river just north of Hebbardsville, and the creeks flow into it. Ash Flats is an area a few miles northeast of Hebbardsville. It is flat, and has drainage creeks/ditches through it, while the area between it and Hebbardsville is very steep. Pleasant Hill Road is a real road also northeast of Hebbardsville, and it leads into the steep hills above the flats.
A fellow ought to be able to trace what he’s talking about on a google map pretty well. Look for Hebbardsville and then look for the area a couple miles northeast, but south of the Green River.
The photograph might be of one of the drainage ditches in the flats, rather than the seasonal steep creeks in the hills, but it’s hard to tell.
I can understand why a DNA test might not have been done on this yet. Depending on the rescources of whoever found it, getting a DNA test done might not be an immediate, viable option. Most people are not going to realize it can be done without corrupting the evidence and also they might not even know how to go about it. Not everybody knows an expert who is going to have a look at some unusual tooth. I can guess that there has possibly been evidence found by an everyday joe who simply didn’t know what to do with it. I can also understand that if this is indeed thought to be genuine, then the person in possession of this might perhaps be paranoid about parting with it? Just a thought. Also, concerning proving the existence of Bigfoot in order to put conservation measures into effect. That unfortunately is not always the case. There are a lot of species whose existence we know about and that are protected that are still being wiped out. Look at orangutans, they are supposedly protected and I do not think they will make it in the wild into the next century.
I think if this evidence is as groundbreaking as it seems, then sooner or later someone is going to do the needed analysis of it and we will get an answer in one way or another. I just hope it doesn’t end up where that giant skeleton did.
First off, let me assure all Cryptomundo readers that nothing about the ‘Bigfoot/Great Hill’ report is hoaxed in any way. The witness seemed sincere and honest with me in every possible way. He really does claim to have this tooth, and honestly believes it belonged to one of these creatures. He did not initiate contact. I did. He only reluctantly agreed to the interview after a series of telephone conversations we had a few weeks prior to the meeting. I was lucky to get his consent to photograph the tooth at all.
He did seem to warm up at some length and I am extremely grateful to him for the info he shared. Of course I told him that without DNA
testing, people would tend to dismiss it as a bear tooth or something. He seemed downright unphased about it. He would never relinquish the object. He made this clear and is, in many ways, completely justified.
Not long ago I interviewed a man just across the river from Hebbardsville who claimed that he had personally had physical evidence, including an alleged tooth, of a hirsute, humanlike ‘monster’ confiscated by authorities back in the ’70’s and never returned.
Secondly, the ‘Bigfoot/Great Hill’ and the ‘Hebbardsvill Hillbillies’ reports are 2 separate reports. The only common factor is they both took place in Hebbardsville. There is a Pleasant Hill Rd. in Hebbardsville, as stated in the HH report, where a bf sighting took place in 2004. the names of the locations in the BF/GH report are entirely fictional. This location, as stated, is a short drive from the Pleasant Hill/Ash Flats area. Of course he wants to keep the location a secret. Who can blame him? See the Union county report concerning the ‘Slack Farm’. If the location were to be made known to the general public the locals would have the site picked clean, all 15 acres, within a week or less. The witness raked back the covering of leaves inside one of the stone circles and the projectile points and other artifacts still lay where they were put by this man’s ancestors. Every other step it seemed there was another grave marker covered in petroglyphs. I have pics of all this, which, IMO, could not be faked by anyone, regardless of skill.
Both pictures are of the same tooth, which did not seem to be broken at all.
The second one shows it lying on its side. The knobby protrusion visible in this one is on the bottom of the tooth and did not seem to be part of the root system. I am no expert on teeth so make of that what you will. Also, the outer edges of the object appeared to be very subtly serrated. Not like a shark or gator as these were nearly imperceptible even to the touch.
The pencil, including the eraser, is exactly 6.1/4″ long. The eraser by itself is .3/4″. The tooth did seem weathered somewhat. This is a good indicator of age/authenticity and comes from no telling how many rainfalls since the objects exposure. As a ridgewalker for 35 years I am very familiar with the weathering of stone and, IMO, could not be fooled easily regarding this. I do plan on returning soon with a better camera to take more pics of the tooth and the Great Hill.
Thanks to everyone who has shown an interest in this case and watch the Kentucky Bigfoot site for future updates concerning it. I hope this has answered at least a few of the many questions it has generated.
Oh, and Joppa, no Green River in Henderson? I grew up on the banks of this river near where it joins with the mighty Ohio, also in Henderson. What map are you looking at?
When people have demanded dna results from hair samples etc, many times they have come back as human. Some people see this as a sign we’re closely related to good old bigfoot, others see it as simply a mistake/hoax. So at the end of the day to those saying the only way to prove this is with dna, even when it’s done it wont be good enough for most people.
Regarding Post #31:
“shovethenos Says:
December 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
heinselman-
Are you saying that the record length for a human tooth is .9 inches and that this tooth, at 1.5-2 inches, would be anomalous if it were human? Or was I reading what you wrote wrong? (You didn’t state whether the human record of .9 was root & tip or just tip.) ”
Answer:
The record tooth is the tip not the entire root+tip. Meaning the exposed section in the mouth was .9 inches long in the boy.
Craig Heinselman
Peterborough, NH
The easiest next step to strengthen or weaken this claim would be for the investigator to get the names of three or four of these folks who observed these Bigfoot gatherings along with the witness. It would help if he had supporting witnesses.
A very easy way to look if this tooth is in fact a real tooth and no model, would be an x-ray examination. This would show if the tooth has Cavaum pulpae. But a good photograph alone, showing all angles, would be very good.
I don’t doubt the motives of a Native witness who wants to keep a burial ground a secret. The track record of American society, and even of scientists, in dealing respectfully with such places does not inspire confidence. Recent years have brought much better behavior on the part of government agencies and scientists, but the incidence of of illegal “pot hunting” has gotten worse if anything.
That said, we (meaning the larger cryptozoological community) simply do not know if meaningful evidence exists without having an independent, qualified team examine it and report publicly. We may never know what is factual beyond the existence of an unexamined tooth.
Regards,
Matt Bille
I wonder if it’s a peccary tooth? This might be “Hesperopithecus” all over again.
BMNunnelly says “I do plan on returning soon with a better camera to take more pics of the tooth and the Great Hill.”
Any 5MP digital camera with a macro mode should work fine if the correct aperture is used.
Very interesting news. I never even new there were many bigfoot sightings here in Kentucky. I’ve never been to the Hebbardsville area before though. Yeah, if locals found out about the burial grounds there would probably be nothing left of the artifacts. Hope to here more info about bigfoot here in Kentucky. Maybe I’ll journey to different areas around here and see what I can find. There are a lot of things you can’t explain in the woods. I’ve heard a lot of strange sounds out there before its kind of thrilling though! I just love the adventure of it all!
Keep up the good work Loren.
OK, I would really like to make something which is very important very clear. In no way does the existence of Bigfoot contradict evolutionary theory. This misinterpretation is the result of an understanding of evolution that is not accurate. To suggest that Bigfoot undermines evolutionary theory is to perceive the process as one that is driven by a goal to become human. THIS IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. Keep in mind that the ancestors of apes are also our own ancestors. This would also be true for Bigfoot. All the higher apes, and humans, share a common ancestor in the distant past. Bigfoot is not a “missing link”. It can’t be. It is equally evolved from the point in the past – just as much as we are. Please take this into consideration. Evolutionary theory is not in any way put out by the existence of another bipedal hominid. All it means is that another species managed to survive.
I was raised in Hebbardsville. Now, I know these burial grounds, and Pleasant Hill, Green River, Ash Flats, even Mr. Nunnelly’s pal Greg Tackett. I do not know, however, this Hebbardsville Hillbilly.
“Local Press”? Well, we have no local newspaper in Hebbardsville. We get the Henderson newspaper “The Gleaner” where I have never seen the Hillbilly critter mentioned. The features reporter, may be interested in speaking with “M.F”.
I do not mean to cast shadows on Mr. Nunnelly’s story, but I haven’t even heard whispers of BigFoot.
Looks like a wild boar’s tusk to me