Are Bigfoot Invisible?

You thought this weekend was going to be boring?

Apparently, Art Bell is returning to the Coast to Coast AM radio program with a bang. On Sunday night (Monday morning in the East), November 30, 2008, Bell will be airing a program with Michio Kaku on “Invisibility & DNA.”

Now that sounds unlikely to have anything to do with cryptozoology, but now this claim comes via an email received this morning:

This may be the first big scientific admission that we currently have many invisible forest people on this planet, since the west coast rumors from the 60’s government captivity studies. This may also be the big news that tightens up the sphincters of those thousands of overconfident flesh & blood Bigfoot believers, to the point that it causes them to hyperventilate at the mere thought that Bigfoot is in fact and has always been, primarily invisible in the higher dimensions. Perhaps this will also inspire a new market for camoflauged hyperventilation paper bags to guard against overreaction in regard to the aforementioned natural phenomenon.

Well, besides the overly arrogant tone of the email, it certainly does signal a new wrinkle to the debate to pull Sasquatch studies away from a grounded biological basis of research, and throw more speculations in the direction of explaining one unknown with another unknown.

Hold on to your hats, folks!

About Loren Coleman
Loren Coleman is one of the world’s leading cryptozoologists, some say “the” leading. Certainly, he is acknowledged as the current living American researcher and writer who has most popularized cryptozoology in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Starting his fieldwork and investigations in 1960, after traveling and trekking extensively in pursuit of cryptozoological mysteries, Coleman began writing to share his experiences in 1969. An honorary member of Ivan T. Sanderson’s Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained in the 1970s, Coleman has been bestowed with similar honorary memberships of the North Idaho College Cryptozoology Club in 1983, and in subsequent years, that of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, CryptoSafari International, and other international organizations. He was also a Life Member and Benefactor of the International Society of Cryptozoology (now-defunct). Loren Coleman’s daily blog, as a member of the Cryptomundo Team, served as an ongoing avenue of communication for the ever-growing body of cryptozoo news from 2005 through 2013.

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  1. MultipleEncounters- Well, yes you are right that discoveries along the lines we were talking about, such as new universes, could lead to new lines of research that could uncover these kinds of creatures. That’s true. Science is all about stepping stones to new knowledge. I won’t say that research will never lead in that direction if there is something to build towards it. Some new physics research is pretty funky, so who knows? I would concede it is not impossible that one day we may find ourselves pursuing that line of reasoning in a serious manner.

    I’m just saying that right now, with the current evidence, knowledge, and known precedence for invisibility in the natural world (read- none.), there is no real reason to suppose that sasquatch or any other creature can become invisible. (Although they WOULD be invisible. :) ) Nothing says to me that sasquatch if it exists, deviates from a biological model, as it fits various known criteria for an animal, yet none for invisibility or inter dimensional beings (criteria we don’t even have at this point). Maybe they are, but there really isn’t much to scientificaly build a case for that on currently and so until there is I have to think that if sasquatch is out there, then it is most probably a biological entity.

    Until science comes up with a plausible reason and research that sets up the notion of invisible or extra dimensional creatures, it is a fairly far out notion, and I’d have to say that considering current established conventions I find it unlikely. I know that may sounds close minded, but scientists need more to go on than a willingness to believe. Anyway, at least I’m willing to talk about this stuff in the first place.

    Anyhow, I agree this has been a good discussion. I appreciate that you have come on here, engaged on the matter and explained your position in a clear, thought out manner.

  2. Mystery-Man, of course its a biological entity, nobody said they weren’t. :) That is the apparent dilemma of perceiving the concept I think. But glad to hear you and others acknowledge open mindedness in this provocative topic. It has been a good discussion.

    Graybear, you’re not quite grapsing the concept I think. And I didn’t say that shamans become invisible either. Maybe its about perception? The paradigm is hard to shake when we grew up believing something too. But no, a few people didn’t get together and dream these things up. Good to hear you acknowledge having seeing ghosts too, that’s a tough admission for many to make. But knowing that there is this ‘other side’ so to speak, that should at least leave a door slightly cracked that there is some form of alternative ‘realm’ as it were. Whether its the same one being discussed, well I doubt it.

    Have you read any introductory articles on M theory or this Quantum Physics stuff? It might help to do so if you are open minded and at least wish to understand. Yeah I know, they are animals, everything alive is. They live, breath, probably sweat, vocalize, bleed, and yes poop. Nobody is saying they aren’t these things. This is the misunderstanding part I think. I guess it requires a little different way of looking at the universe, which maybe isn’t as easy for everyone to grasp. Yet you seem to acknowledge the existence of ghosts. Do we really know what they are or where they go?

    Once again, when I’m out there in the field, I’m out looking for physical evidence, sticks breaking, wood knocks, tracks, even breathing on rare occasion. I also carry a 44 magnum with very hot loads for my peace of mind. If I didn’t think they were a ‘biological’ entity as well, what would be the point of that? Whether it would actually stop a ill intended sasquatch, well hopefully I’ll never find that out. Twice over the last couple of decades I’ve had my 30-30 rifle trained on one, and I would NEVER shoot unless I absolutely had to. They are just too big and too powerful an ‘animal’. Yes, animal. I know, but how can sasquatch be an animal and sometimes invisible? That’s still the misuse of the term invisible I think, but I don’t think I have the background to be able to explain more then I already have.

    Anyway, here is the whole story told by Fred Beck and Ape Canyon for anyone who has never read it. Warning: Requires an open mind.

  3. MultipleEncounters- Ok, animals. I’m glad we are narrowing it down from inter-dimensional beings down to biological creatures. However, there isn’t much distinction when looking at it from what we actually have any real evidence for.

    What I have been saying applies to the concept of invisible animals (in the sense that they can somehow shift out of the visual spectrum) as much as it does to inter-dimensional beings. There’s no real evidence, established scientific foundation, or known precedence in the natural world for either of them. What we have learned about the world changes as time goes on, but it is built upon what has come before. Scientists don’t make this stuff up, research builds on principles that have come about through hard work and constant picking apart by peers. This is not to be taken too lightly.

    At least to the best of our knowledge, there is no current established connection whatsoever between invisible animals and the physics theories that are being discussed here. Maybe later there will be, but so far years and years of study of the natural world has yet to uncover anything at all to make us suppose animals become invisible. As far as we now know, animals simply do not become invisible. So if sasquatch is an animal, I think it is perfectly reasonable to suppose that neither does it. Until someone shows how science is wrong on this, I think it is fairly safe to rest on the scientific foundation and collection of knowledge gathered and expanded up over a long period of time by countless scientists through a lot of hard work that does not point to animals turning invisible.

    I guess I just don’t appreciate the “close minded” accusations sometimes aimed at people for not buying into these kinds of unconventional theories in some of these conversations.

    Maybe later, there will be a revelation and we will all be proven wrong, I can accept that. It would be awesome if this happened. But in the meantime, nothing points to animals that can turn invisible at this point in time. Are we to second guess all we have learned about this world and all of the scientific principles we have established so far? Paradigms are shifted under the weight of evidence. Considering this, thinking animals don’t turn invisible is a reasonably safe assumption based on how the world is currently known to work, and so I’d say is not really being close minded at all.

    Unless the idea can be grounded in terms of reality as we know it, on a firm scientific basis, then the idea of invisible animals is all speculation, NOT the idea that animals don’t become invisible. Until we know better (and science is the way to know better), that’s the way it is for now.

    Anyway, my obvious willingness to talk about this subject shows that I at least listen to these ideas. Open mindedness would entail proponents listening to mine as well.

  4. MultipleEncounters- I guess a good way to explain my position on this is this. I cannot say for sure whether sasquatch can become invisible or not, but there isn’t much to lead me to that conclusion. These things may become apparent at a later time.

    Obviously there are some strange things going on with sasquatch if they are indeed real. Reports that are not easily explained and the well known reaction that witnesses have of being watched shouldn’t be discarded. But I think it is prudent to look at all of the natural explanations, those grounded in scientific fact and precedence, before moving off into more far out, unsubstantiated conclusions. There could be natural, biological reasons that fit into what we know as to why the sasquatch might appear to be able to become invisible, why it avoids cameras, or why it has the effect it does on witnesses.

    I think these sorts of options should be explored more before we start jumping off into invisibility, quantum theory, alternate dimensions, and whatnot.

  5. graybear: Oh, OK, well that’s definitely not total dismissal of the sasquatch.

    But of course that’s not what we’re talking about here.

    And while I may not go as far as you in terms of dismissing things for which I don’t have evidence, one way or the other, I do have to say that invisible sasquatch haven’t been helping this topic gain scientific credibility.

    And no matter what anyone thinks about scientists, scientific credibility is what we’re stuck with, those of us who haven’t seen one, heard one, smelled one, and would simply want to know.

  6. If by invisible you mean highly camouflaged, I’ll listen. However, invisible? Not. Simply enough, if there is a real animal roaming the forests it is absolutely visible. Unless you have a camera :D (insert sarcasm here)

  7. “The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them … into the impossible.”

    — Clarke’s Second Law
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    Considering how difficult and elusive they are perhaps it’s time to look outside of the box, I say it’s long overdue.

    “grounded research” only applies to a reality based on common knowledge and standard and rather dogmatic scientific models. There’s much esoteric and hidden knowledge that could aid in the research and when you realize the reality isn’t just comprised of the material plane, you may realize all things are possible, and in situations like this, the standard models need to be broken.

    Considering how often UFO sightings have been associated with big foot sightings, there may easily be a relationship.

    If we are to believe the stories related to The Montaulk Project by Preston Nichols, supposedly a thought form Sasquatch /Big foot was produced as a result of a thought amplifier machine being used at the compound that technology had been provided by aliens from Sirius.

    Tin hat anyone?