Bigfooter Outfoxed
Posted by: Loren Coleman on July 1st, 2008
With reference to Tom Biscardi on Fox News mentioned here, the following is the YoubTube appearance of this moment in history:
Thanks to A. Higgins for the heads up.
About Loren Coleman
Loren Coleman is one of the world’s leading cryptozoologists, some say “the” leading living cryptozoologist. Certainly, he is acknowledged as the current living American researcher and writer who has most popularized cryptozoology in the late 20th and early 21st centuries.
Starting his fieldwork and investigations in 1960, after traveling and trekking extensively in pursuit of cryptozoological mysteries, Coleman began writing to share his experiences in 1969. An honorary member of Ivan T. Sanderson’s Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained in the 1970s, Coleman has been bestowed with similar honorary memberships of the North Idaho College Cryptozoology Club in 1983, and in subsequent years, that of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, CryptoSafari International, and other international organizations. He was also a Life Member and Benefactor of the International Society of Cryptozoology (now-defunct).
Loren Coleman’s daily blog, as a member of the Cryptomundo Team, served as an ongoing avenue of communication for the ever-growing body of cryptozoo news from 2005 through 2013. He returned as an infrequent contributor beginning Halloween week of 2015.
Coleman is the founder in 2003, and current director of the International Cryptozoology Museum in Portland, Maine.
I really don’t want to be critical, but he didn’t do a very good job there. He simply did not help sas research with that one.
“Gigantppithecus is a branch of primitive man”
WHAT????????????????????!!
(sung to “Thanks for the Memories” kinda sorta.)
Thanks, for the diatribe!
You really shouldn’t have,
did the interview!
Credible, no more, we owe our thanks to you.
Thank you – dear Tom.
Thanks for the bigfoot snub!
He didn’t deserve this…
How could you be amiss
at looking so darn stupid and ignorant dear bub,
He thanks you dear Tom.
Thanks for the idiocy!
I’m sure the kids on Fox
Have giggled and laughed a lot
And grouped us all together as well as they can see,
But we’re not like you – dear Tom.
Thanks for the attention, Tom
We didn’t need this kind
Of someone out of his mind
and now the damage has been done unreasonably
Please, just go away, Tom!
(My apologies to Bob Hope!)
Okay, to give Biscardi due credit, there are places in the Virginia mountains near where I live where a commercial GPS (a Tomtom) doesn’t work. Maybe it’s the same in parts of the Catskills. But if he’s been there and wasn’t airlifted in and out, then he went in on a road. Roads strongly imply exploration, as they seldom form spontaneously. I want to see the next one that does, in fact.
When Biscardi said there were places in the United States which hadn’t been explored, he was obviously trying to make the point that they were very remote and difficult to access. But why did he have to use language that simply got himself laughed at?
And where did the Ken and Barbi remark come from? If he was trying that hard to be ridiculous, why didn’t he just refer to the Bigfoot as Trolls or as Grendel’s brothers and sisters?
On the plus side, from the anchors’ reaction, Biscardi will never be on THAT program ever again. Let us give thanks for small blessings, since that’s all we’re gonna get.
This is the same area that the bigfoot baby in the tree video was shot, lots of big mountains and hills near there, great habitat, plenty of food and many trails right to Pennsylvania.
This could be on a migration trail. I read somewhere that butlers rangers were assaulted by rock throwing “wildmen” on one of their marches through this country, not to mention Whitehall sightings. I wouldn’t count this one out just yet, might be something to this one. I just wonder why they got a hold of Tom Biscardi for this? I will be following this one.
His GPS didn’t work….but apparently and unfortunately his phone did
That and the “nobody has ever found bear remains”
What a deutsch bag
That was HORRIBLE! Oh well Fox and Biscardi belong together. They are both so full of it. I had to laugh at the so called Fox Facts along the bottom like “Expert in Cryptozoology(by far the funniest) says bigfoot is a gigantopithecus” “Gigantopithecus is a branch of primitive man” “2004 Man sees bigfoot in Oregon”. First off, Biscardi is no expert in crytozoology or anything else for that matter…except b.s.ing everyone. Secondly, when was it proven that bigfoot is gigantopithecus, did I miss the boat on that one, and I mean proven not speculated. Thirdly, branch of primitive man, who came up with this crap. Then they act like patterson shot his movie in 67′ and that bigfoot wasn’t seen again until 2004 by some nameless man in Oregon and that it was probably the same creature, you know the one that roams the U.S. with batboy and the rest of his crazy menagerie of misfits. I wonder did the “bigfoot hunter himself” give Fox the facts. I better watch out or biscardi will sue me. Don’t give him my real name Loren!
I feel embarassed when I watch it!
I can’t help but get the feeling that he tries to sound more intelligent and have more evidence in support of Sasquatch than he really does.
I can understand the point he makes about the bear skeletons, but the way he presented it wasn’t very clear at all and it just makes him look like he’s trying too hard.
I don’t get the Ken and Barbie comment?
Can someone explain that to me?
tom sideshow biscardi up to his usual antics.
in my best carny barking voice…..clears throat uhuumm…
step right up folks we have cameras looking for bigfoot and have images. for only a quarter see the images from the bigfoot sighting location. bark bark bark. well i didnt say they were pics of bigfoot just images from the sighting location. yeeessss
step right up folks see the skinned bear paw err i mean bigfoot hand. yessss
step right up folks we have a captured bigfoot pics to come shortly. pay just 59.95 for live feed of bigfoot being cared for by a doctor. step right up folks.
disclaimer. money up front keep your mouth shut and absolutely positively no refunds. i need a new fake bigfoot costume because the one me and ivan used has fallen apart.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not defending Mr.Biscardi. But, when was the last time any of “us” were televised on the National News?
And from what I caught on the broadcast, Mr.Biscardi was rudely commented upon and he had made the comment to even the score!
I personally didn’t have a problem with the anchor’s questions or his responses to Biscardi’s comments. Over the years I’ve seen several other news clips featuring Biscardi, and this one was par for the course; he regularly makes outlandish statements.
Certainly media coverage of bigfoot-related news is often approached superficially, erroneously, and with condescension, but that’s not always the case. Here’s a link to a news story where the reporter attempted to be thorough and objective.
http://www.cbs19.tv/video/newplayer.php?id=3156
I remember a time back on Fox, it was one of the stories dealing with folks who claimed to have the remains of the Patterson/Gimlin suit, and the feet used to make the original tracks that gave us the name Bigfoot.
The talking head basically said that all this was the smoking gun, definitive proof that Bigfoot did not, nor ever did exist. Cryptozoological stories will never get their just due in the mainstream media. Just my two cents.
DF: I think what you’re referring to was the story about the Wallace feet and the suit Mrs Wallace wore in one of Ray’s absurd films. One of her sons or nephews went out to a shed and showed it off. I’ve read that that was on CNN, not Fox.
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Incidentally, some people, notably the clear-thinking critical thinkers (two SMU professors) at the CSICOP-linked “Inquiring Minds” site, mixed it up with the Wallace film and stated on their site in 2004 that Patterson’s son had shown off a suit and had confessed that it was a hoax. He was obviously confusing this with Wallace’s son or nephew. I tried for a year to get them to correct their error, first e-mailing CSICOP and then twice e-mailing Prof. Cotton, one of the site-authors, but he wouldn’t respond.
Eventually ABC “put their foot in it,” perhaps relying on the misinformation found on the Inquiring Minds site. On Jan 29, 2006, in its “Good Morning America” segment dealing with the recent Malaysian sightings, it stated: “The most famous caught-on-camera footage, from 1967, was debunked after the family of the photographer admitted it was someone in an ape suit.”
Later the Voice of America also picked up that misinformation, either directly from Inquiring Minds or indirectly via ABC, and broadcast it round the world. When Bigfooters protested, the VOA responded that they’d based their assertion on Internet research–presumably meaning the Inquiring Minds site. (Which seems no longer to be active.)
Therefore, early in 2006 I made another effort to get them to put a stop to this, e-mailing the other site author, Prof. Scalise, and finally got him to remove its erroneous paragraph. However, Scalise refused to concede that it hadn’t been Patterson’s son he saw showing off the suit, only that the son hadn’t made a confession. He claimed he’d made the error in good faith. Maybe his initial error was in good faith, but:
1. He should have done five minutes’ research on such a spectacular and damaging claim before posting it. A tiny bit of Googling, or an e-mail to CNN, or a search of the CNN site, would have revealed his mistake and saved the day. (But I suspect he was operating under a cynical rule for journalists: “Don’t check your “good” stories–that’s how you lose them.” I.e., I suspect he wanted to post something damaging about the Patterson film, and was reluctant to look for disconfirming evidence. He certainly was reluctant to accept my correction that he hadn’t seen Patterson’s son.)
2. His co-author, prof. Cotton, was guilty of egregious arrogance (something not unheard of “skeptical” circles) in not responding to my e-mails or forwarding them to Scalise.
3. He (Scalise) was arrogant in continuing to maintain that it was Patterson’s son he’d seen showing off a suit. He baselessly treated me as though I couldn’t have known more about the matter than he did (when I claimed he had mixed up the person he saw with a Wallace relative). His arrogance was also reflected in:
His refusal to consider that his blunder (that there was a Patterson-confession) didn’t indicate that his memory might also be at fault about the person he saw on TV; and
His refusal to look into the matter to back up his claim to me that it was Patterson’s son who’d been on TV with anything more than his own recollection; and
His failure to apologize for the damage caused by the possible spread of his misinformation onto the national media.
(I suspect he thinks it was a good thing that it did receive wide coverage, regardless of whether Patterson’s son had actually made such a confession. “Any stick will do to beat the devil”: that’s what the behavior of Skeptics’ indicates they really believe.)
Like I said on the previous thread, Fox I think knew he was bogus so they put him on to further get their program of discrediting anything that is Sasquatch rolling along well along.
Nothing new here, just more of the same Fox rehash and pompous dismissiveness. Them and CNN.
Alton Higgins:
Thanks. Hope springs eternal, I guess. That is about as serious a treatment as any realistic person should expect from the media at the moment.
It flummoxes the heck out of me that more news organizations wouldn’t think the evidence on hand, and the simple possibility of the animal, the big story here. But given such things as the Fox Noze for Nooze, should any of us really be surprised?
Roger, you’re right. I get so much of these things confused in old age. But I do remember seeing a newsreader on Fox basically say “well, that certainly proves that Bigfoot is a fake.” I looked back at the screen and thought to myself “but what about the other evidence that just might be legit?”
I gave up a long time back hoping to see crypto matters get a fair shake in the media.
Good afternoon Crytos…
Agreed Alton…
The man has burst onto BTR shows on occasion with bluster and bravado…like some kind of a rock star…instead of the wind bag he appears to be. Perhaps the Big Folks need a Barnum and Bailey side show? I wish he would quit grandstanding and stay the hell out of the way…he’s giving us all a black eye…JMHO
I may be in the City soon…fire those puppies up…let’s do lunch.
live and let live…
ole bub and the dawgs
Biscardi is a disgrace to the bigfoot community. Although I admit that nearly every time the media addresses Bigfoot, the journalists and/or reporters are unfairly skeptical, Biscardi was the wrong person.