Footage Released: Sasquatch Caught on Therm by Olympic Project?
Posted by: Craig Woolheater on November 27th, 2013
The video that the still posted here on Cryptomundo yesterday was taken from has been stabilized and released for public consumption.
On 10.30.13, the following footage was recorded by a FLIR BTS series thermal imaging camera by Jon, Sara and Ben Brown of Grays Harbor, Washington with the help of Derek Randles and The Olympic Project.
Special Thanks to Wally Hersom for the equipment and Carl Olinselot for this amazing video editing.
The subject measured 6’6″ hunched over. The cow was about 30ft feet away and the subject was about 120ft away.
Now that the footage has been released versus just seeing a still image, what are the thoughts on this?
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I have appeared in or contributed to the following TV programs, documentaries and films:
OLN's Mysterious Encounters: "Caddo Critter", Southern Fried Bigfoot, Travel Channel's Weird Travels: "Bigfoot", History Channel's MonsterQuest: "Swamp Stalker", The Wild Man of the Navidad, Destination America's Monsters and Mysteries in America: Texas Terror - Lake Worth Monster, Animal Planet's Finding Bigfoot: Return to Boggy Creek and Beast of the Bayou.
Gene Baade:
From the backstory, the animal (at least it has to be an animal, right?) was on the reverse side of the ridge, just below the ridgeline, which explains well to me what we see.
appreciate the feedback from the Gene… very insightful.
Meldrum received his B.S. in zoology specializing in vertebrate locomotion at Brigham Young University (BYU) in 1982, his M.S. at BYU in 1984 and a Ph.D. in anatomical sciences, with an emphasis in biological anthropology, from State University of New York at Stony Brook in 1989.
He’s an expert in those areas 100% no doubt.
NOT thermal imaging.
his speciality is vertebrate locomotion.
what does vertebrate locomotion have to do with this thermal video?
nothing.
The name dropping doesn’t impress me and means nothing.
take meldrum everytime, god bless ya.
heck, feel free to take any other doctor as well.
I’m sure they’re ALL taking classes in university for thermal imaging.
you know it is a requirement before you can get your doctorate.
So they’re all experts in thermal imaging now too.
when you state a position, usually you back it up with proof… to justify your position, otherwise all you’re speaking is hollow words …
otherwise called nonsense
thats something jabronies do. 🙂
DWA, thank you for reminding me of the ridge. I wasn’t clear on that as the daylight image doesn’t reveal that very well. Or maybe it was just me. I’m still interested in knowing, not the location (well of course I am, but that is not possible), but the specific topography.
deconstruct, you have a point about Dr. M. and thermal, but sometimes points can be made too narrowly, sharply, or formally. Even someone who doesn’t have a degree in a particular science or field can by experience and further non-degree training can still know a heck of a lot about something outside their formal degrees. We listen to them with that understanding and may give them a certain amount of credence we wouldn’t otherwise. It wouldn’t surprise me if Dr. M. had experience in the area of field photography and/or knows people who are truly experts and has learned from them. Obviously, in a formal setting like a jury or scientific panel, an expert witness or member must have clear and present academic and job credentials in the specific field he/she is called to address. But so far this has not been a formal debate nor has it been a jury (although it sometimes seems like one) or a juried forum with peer review.
hey Gene, thanks… interesting points but it doesn’t jive.
i have degrees in photography, video and design from one of the best advertising schools in the world.
I’ve learned from some of the best in the world.
doesn’t make me an expert in thermal… does it?
does a dentist have knowledge of everything scientific just because he’s a doctor?
even if he went to harvard?
I mean… lol… really…. while I appreciate the effort, it just doesn’t hold water.
he’s very knowledgeable, yes, totally respect the doc, hate to break the news, but he’s probably got as much knowledge about thermals as the rest of us…
one thing to note, the person who shot this thermal said they had no knowledge of how to use the thing… so perhaps that might lend some clue’s on what it is.
the ridge or cliff to me, seems like the only plausible explanation for the cut off of the body and the way the body appears.
until we have more data, i’m afraid no one can say what this is or isn’t however i’ve got far too many doubts and questions about this one.
Gene Baade: right.
One thing cryptos are gonna have to learn if this is ever going to become a science is the new rigors imposed by “open science,” in which amateur groups like NAWAC and the Olympic Project are pioneers.
Classically, science has been “closed;” we never found out what scientists were working on until they presented the findings. The good part: they had to make sure their science was utterly shipshape, so the findings wouldn’t be contested once released. The bad part: the findings not infrequently get contested, because people whose expertise might have been solicited earlier weren’t on the team, and either things were done wrong or those left out believe that they were.
(The even-worse part: the influence of classical science has infested bigfootery from its start, which is why you have all this data hoarding and claim and counterclaim rather than collaboration.)
The Olympic Project is releasing information as they get it; they have explicitly avoided hiding, hoarding and inflated claims, and have explicitly sought help from those of other viewpoints. It is uncertain what this image represents, but of the two alternatives most focused upon – cow or sasquatch – sasquatch looks the more compelling, when the overall body of evidence is taken into account. Meldrum certainly knows what a bigfoot looks like, at least indirectly; that he’s intrigued says this is hot.
Follow-up is going to be necessary. But this says that follow-up should happen. Catcalls are unwarranted, and tend to point up issues with one’s approach.
Dear deconstruct: Thank you for sharing some of your training and background. I appreciate it. You said: “one thing to note, the person who shot this thermal said they had no knowledge of how to use the thing… so perhaps that might lend some clue’s on what it is.” Not sure what the connection is you’re making. Please elaborate when you have time (“thing” referring to camera; “it”: the object? If so what clue are you suggesting?).
You said: “until we have more data, i’m afraid no one can say what this is or isn’t however i’ve got far too many doubts and questions about this one.” I have no problem with your viewpoint when you put it like that.
As for Dr. M., you may be right, or maybe not. Not for me to say; only for him to say.
Thank you for the dialogue.
DWA: well put. And I came a away from Sasquatch Summit 2013 with a high regard for Olympic Project. Already had a high regard, but reaffirmed. On history of science subject, Brian Regal’s book, Searching for Sasquatch Crackpots, Eggheads, and Cryptozoology, is an excellent treatment on the development of the philosophy of science into the modern era. Bindernagel’s Discovery of the Sasquatch delves into the proof process quite well.
dekonstruct:
The word is JIBE. Not “jive.”
Otherwise, keep up the good work; you never fail to say exactly what i expect you to say. PREDICTABLE.
Gene+dekonstruct: He — USED the infrared device. It WORKED. Therefore, he knew how to work it.
Goodfoot, thank you for that piece of information.
I’m not having any real problem with this video, partly out of technical ignorance and partly out of making sense of it and its context from my own knowledge base outside the specific camera technology. I appreciate the back and forth from everyone, even when the fur flies. Dialogue gets a lot of interesting stuff out that I otherwise don’t consider or see in the proper light.
My main interest at this point is knowing precisely the topography/terrain, not because I’m doubting the information, but because I naturally want to better visualize the setting. What kind of ridge? How steep, etc.. I don’t know how much marrow there is left to suck out of this bone.
I can feel your urgency, Gene. I hope you can find some help with your questions. I’d be interested in finding out more, to a degree, but in the final analysis, my gut tells me this thermographic footage is just not going to prove that important in the long run.
Gene – ya we need daytime video.photos to know where this was shot… otherwise, what else can we discuss on this?
Goodfoot – ummmm negative. sorry pal… it’s jive.
Jibe is a sailing term.
But you knew that already.
its not an infrared as you said… it’s a thermal.
Do you even know the difference?
Go read, it’ll do ya some good before you post here trying to look like a genius. 🙂
Goodfoot:
As with any scientific investigation, follow-up will determine how important this turns out to be. Nothing conclusive can be gleaned from thermals; but they can point discussion in a direction.
Harrumph. From Wikipedia:
“Jive” is often used incorrectly in place of “jibe”, meaning “to agree or accord”. While one recent dictionary accepts this usage, most sources consider this an error.
Go read, it’ll do ya some good before you post here trying to look like a genius.
Two reports of interactions with unconcerned cattle:
First one
Second one
Note in the latter report the investigator’s statement that “Also, I have seen in other reports that cows have acted both scared and unconcerned.”
(YOU find ’em. This was hard enough!)
I should note also that the BFRO report was courtesy of alert by this website. This is a high school kid; and this site alone counts for more than everything I have read from the mainstream on this topic. In this installment, he’s discussing this thermal:
Hahaha.
are you serious pal?
wow you must seriously feel threatened by me to keep flaming me with this garbage.
are you that insecure?
Nice to know you’ve still got that man crush on me
why don’t you edit my post and fix it since you obviously know what I said.
what a putz.
dekonstruct:
jibe (1) Nautical v. jibed also gybed, jibing also gybing, jibes also gybes v. intr.
To shift a fore-and-aft said from one side of a vessel to the other side while sailing before the wind so as to sail on the opposite track.
jibe (2) To be in accord; agree: Your figures jibe with mine.
thermal, Adjective
Relating to heat.
infrared, Adj.
having or employing wavelengths longer than light but shorter than radio waves.
I am simply NOT going to parse with you, engage in hair-splitting with you, now or at any other time, or under any conditions, over the difference between THERMAL and INFRARED. Both are; each one is; an expression of HEAT.
I like the cattle citations, not just for the reports that support the opinions we have expressed, but the humorous nature of that west Texas observation. Thanks for doing the research.
DWA: did you run across one story (or more) of a Bigfoot engaging in carnal knowledge with a cow? I remember one. Maybe can find it one day.
Re cows/”carnal knowledge”: Loren Coleman, his book, Bigfoot, page 185.
thermal and infrared are not the same things.
neither is jibe and jive. no one says jibe – go out of your little bubble and talk to people (foreign for you i’m sure)
dconstrukt:
“thermal and infrared are not the same things.”
Irrelevant to the discussion; stay on topic.
“neither is jibe and jive. no one says jibe – go out of your little bubble and talk to people (foreign for you i’m sure)”
Wow. In the face of proof that you’re wrong. That’s evidence of who’s in the bubble.
Or alternately, who is still having trouble discerning the difference between what the unwashed do, and what informed people do. It’s pretty obvious that the mass culture is wrong on sasquatch. And that you may not be speaking to people who use the king’s English correctly. I hear jibe a lot, correctly, from people who like to use correct English.
Getting proven wrong – and coming back insisting one is still right – is not the best way to get people who aren’t sure what to think about a topic to accept one’s way of thinking about it.
Get talked to the way you are talking here, and see how you treat it. Doesn’t work.
Yeah, I remember. I think it referred to an account by a supposed PA college professor who built a cabin, and had repeated contacts by a Bigfoot he called “Kong”. Am I right? The entire story probably can still be found online. It’s novella-length. I am not suggesting it is fiction. It may be.
DWA: what else can you expect from a 15-year old? Mentally and emotionally, at least, if not literally.
dkonstruct: WISE UP, LITTLE BOY.