John Kirk on Ogopogo
Posted by: Craig Woolheater on August 28th, 2013
Cryptomundian kbraun commented on this Cryptomundo post: Archive: Search for Hidden Beasts With John Kirk
John,
Great interview. A must listen………….
60 foot Ogopogo ? About a year ago we debated size in the Folden film. You inferred that after research the animal was appox 20 ft. I said you were in the wrong location, the animal had to be over 40 ft. judging by the trees at the shoreline.
I have heard there are numerous trees (logging) in the lake. I think the Folden film rules out a tree because the animal makes a near 90 degree turn.
Could a 60 ft Ogopogo be a log.
Take carekbraun
kbraun,
People tend to think that Ogopogo is and was a single creature. That is not the case. In the 1950s Don Nourse and others observed no less than five juveniles. Paul Demara’s 1991 footage shows between 5 and 7 of them despite what some skeptics think. So that being said, they obviously come in varying sizes during their development.
The creature in Folden’s film is not a log. That is certain. Nor is it a big fish as one noted skeptic keeps saying. I do agree with the skeptics though that the creature in the Folden film is not 60 plus feet long. It can’t be. I was there with two prominent skeptics and a surveying team making laser measurements of the part of Okanagan Lake where Folden obtained his film. The creature was no more than 35 feet long at best. The earlier estimates by the original viewers of the film were off base.
As to a 60 foot Ogopogo. I have seen two at one time in 1989 off Bertram creek park that were both over 60 feet long and they were clearly not logs as they were swimming – one behind the other – and I saw humps not an elongated body. My second sighting in 1987 was the one I spoke of in the interview with Ken Gerhard. Again, I saw humps, a head, a flat neck on the surface of the water and a tail. I am not the only person who has seen the big ones. There is a litany of sightings of animals in excess of fifty feet. Too many to note here.
I am certain I have never misidentified a log as Ogopogo, but I have misidentified Ogopogo as a log in 1990 until the ‘log’ that I and four others saw make splashes and swim off at high speed.
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anyone talk to the guy in the boat or skiiing?
dude fell right into them…. (looks like more than 1 animal)
you’re telling me the dude fell right into them and didn’t notice anything out of the ordinary?
Interesting footage. I had not seen that before. I also find it interesting that the subjects or creatures were not spooked by the oncoming motor of the boat. The did not seem to dive, swim faster, change course or take evasive action of any kind.
Definitely interesting footage compared to many that we encounter.
A few years ago I had an online chat with Arlene Gaal about the Paul Demara 1991 footage.
She e-mailed; friends and others have not been able to identify the captain or the skier.
I asked her if Ed Fletcher and daughter were out that day.
but dude… if you fell into the water with a shark… you don’t think you’d freak out?
you don’t think the shark would freak out?
replace shark with seal… otter… duck….
dude falls right into them and nothing happens?
something doesn’t make sense there.
dkonstrukt:
The footage above is a very poor copy of the original obtained from a Polish CZ site and is shorter than the full footage that Paul Demara shot. I have a private copy of the whole footage. I can assure you that the guy was not happy falling into that group of critters and the driver of the boat comes back and gets him out of there. He looks perturbed judging by his hand gestures.
Barb Clark, Jillian Harris and a male who wants to remain anonymous have all collided with an Okanagan Lake cryptid which was unfazed by contact with humans. The behaviour seen above is par for the course.
kbraun: Nice one about Ed Fletcher!
John Kirk–Thanks for clarifying that, about the creatures being unfazed by human contact. That backs up my observation of this video. So there has to be something to that. We can probably rule out a few known animals because of that behavior.
Very interesting footage and again, the first time I had viewed it. Thanks for sharing that!
of course he’s not happy but you dont see the guy freaking out, while IN the water do you?
he might be upset for falling while skiing, thats normal.
but if you just fell into the exact spot where ogopogo was, dont you think you’d FREAK OUT a wee bit more than this guy?
lol and none of that story doesn’t make sense to you?
what wild animal… when getting hit or jumped on by a human DOESN’T react?
that makes absolutely no sense.
if theres a fish in the water, you jump in next to it, they ALL swim away fast.
same for ducks, eels, or anything else.
until I see a face, body, eyes etc…..
there’s nothing but some possible mystery.
John,
Do you have an opinion or additional information on….
John Casorso’s intriguing video footage,
Dick Affolter’s and Peter Bodette’s video footage,
Elizabeth von Muggenthaler’s echolocation evidence…..
Thanks,
Kevin
The thing about size is we’re dealing with a lot of unknowns until we have an actual body. From everything in the accounts in most lake critter sightings, 20-30 feet seems to be an average size–but you have to take into account: guestimations, and you also have to consider that people who may know about said water critters may be aware of the “accepted length” and just assume that yeah, what they saw was about 20-30 feet.
In any population you’ll have your norm and then variances at both ends. Could there be a 60 foot Ogo? Sure. 60 foot is huge for anything in a lake–even 60 ft giant squids are rare and they have a much larger environment to live in, but it’s not impossible. Whales are another example. It’s probably not the norm, but that could be factored by age (we don’t know how long they live), perception and so on. Then again, we also don’t know much about the habits or physiology of said cryptid. Could it be that the younger of the species tend to spend more time near the surface? Again–sure. I’m probably wrong, but the possibility is there.
My bottom line is not to rule it out unless you’re certain, and what’s certain until we have a specimen to study?