Erickson Project: Shocking DNA News
Posted by: Craig Woolheater on July 4th, 2011
An anonymous informant going by the name of Sasquatch tipped off Cryptomundo to this breaking story.
Just posted today!
Shocking news regarding the Erickson Project!
Is it fact or fiction?
Source: Robert Lindsay
Breathtaking News from the Erickson Project
The leaks from people close to the Erickson Project continue to come in fast and furious.
Surely, the most breathtaking news so far involves the sequencing of Bigfoot DNA. We already reported previously on the sequencing Bigfoot mitochondrial DNA, which is coming out 100% human. That means that the Bigfoot female line goes back to human females.
However, we can now report on the sequencing of the nuclear DNA from the male side. The report is that it is absolutely non-human! It is very far away from humans. In the chart below, various hominims are measured according to their distance away from humans.
Hominim spp. Distance in polymorphisms
Neandertal 200
Denisova 400
Bigfoot 750?
Chimpanzee 2000
As you can see, Bigfoots are approximately 1/2 way between humans and chimps. More precisely, they are 37% of the way between humans and chimp. Also, Bigfoots are 4X further away from us than Neandertals are, and they are 2X further away from us than Denisova was.
We only have DNA from three hominids: Homo sapiens, Neandertal and Denisova. We have no DNA from Flores Man or Erectus or any of the rest. One reason for this is that DNA degrades, and it is impossible to get DNA from samples more than 50,000 years old.
Therefore, evidence indicates that Bigfoots are a hybrid species. Some “thing,” some “monster,” some “subhuman,” mated with human females somewhere in Europe possibly ~20-50,000 YBP. Shades of King Kong! What this thing is is completely unknown. It must be a hominid. It quite possibly was Homo erectus. Therefore, Bigfoots may be Erectus-sapiens hybrids.
The closest thing to an Erectus-sapiens hybrid is Heidelberg Man, or Homo heidelbergensis. This was late Homo erectus trending into archaic Homo sapiens. There is suggestive evidence that a heidelbergensis skull was found in China dated 13,000 YBP.
If Bigfoot is part-Erectus, this explains certain things. Erectus still had a midtarsal break in Europe 300,000 YBP. Erectus had a saggital crest.
It is clear by now that the Bigfoot is an ape theory lies in the dust. Bigfoot is a man, an ancient man, a blast from our ancient past, a subhuman, a human ancestor. He’s one of us, but he’s not.
In addition, we can report that the Erickson Project Bigfoot DNA study has isolated DNA from 20 separate Bigfoot individuals from around North America. They received hundreds of samples, but many were not useful.
One of the samples was called “unknown hand.” This was hand of a “something,” but no one knows what. Inside the Project, people were taking bets on what the hand was. Dr. Melba Ketchum bet that it was a bear. Others bet that it was not a bear. Ketchum never got any money from the bet. Whatever this strange object was, it was not a bear paw. No one knows what it was. Maybe it was a Bigfoot hand.
One of the samples was a bone from a stream in Oregon. It may have been a femur. The bone looks like a human bone, but it is much too large. It was submitted by David Paulides’ North American Bigfoot Search (NABS).
We also have some updates in the story about the shooting of the two Bigfoots in California in November 2010. There were two other men in the truck with the shooter at the time. At least one of the men was absolutely hysterical that the shooter shot the two Bigfoots. The other man was also not happy at all that the shooter shot the Bigfoots.
We can also report that the section of Bigfoot thigh sent to the Erickson Project DNA test was auburn haired, and it also had a lot of grey in it. This slab was from the mother Bigfoot that was shot dead. She was probably a middle aged Bigfoot, about 45 years old in human terms or about 25 years old in Bigfoot terms. Her two offspring, one of which was also shot dead, were about 5 years old in human terms or 10 years old in Bigfoot terms.
To this date, we do not know what the shooter did after he killed the two Bigfoots. However, I do believe that he took at least a piece of one of the Bigfoots with him that day, and he may have taken more, up to and including two Bigfoot bodies.
I know the name of the shooter, but for some reason, I am not releasing it right now. It can be found by industrious web sleuths who are intelligent about Internet sleuthing.The shooter has changed his story many times, and is and was very afraid he was going to jail over the killing of these two Bigfoots.
He is wise to be afraid of this, because I know some wealthy and connected people who told me that they are dedicated to seeing that this guy goes to prison over killing the Bigfoots. So if I were the shooter, I would not be straight up about this matter either. Further, I would retain a good attorney. If the Olympic Project has any sense, they will have also spoken to an attorney too, because their mitts are all over these two Bigfoots killed in mysterious circumstances.
The shooter is a narcissist and a redneck, and I don’t personally like him at the moment. I don’t know if I will ever like him. Probably not! You can tell he’s a narcissist. Just look at that smug, smarmy look in eyes in his photos. I don’t think he’s a good person. There are different kinds of hunters. Most hunters are good people, but a minority are not. You can tell who the bad ones are. You can see it in their eyes. They will shoot just about anything as long as it is not illegal. This guy has that look about him.
They have the same mindset about hunting. They basically just like to kill things because they like to kill. This is what kind of a person and hunter the shooter is. He is well known in the hunting and taxidermy community and is not well liked at all. In that community, he is thought of as a “maniac hunter.”
He could change any time he wants, quit being bad and start being good. His choice. I don’t think he will ever change though, because he is very happy being the smug prick that he is. Most of his friends are the same as he is, and so is the California woman who became his wife two years ago, who is now expecting.
Most narcissists don’t ever feel guilt about anything that they do. There are some reports that the shooter feels bad about killing the two Bigfoots. Perhaps he does. He may well have some sort of a conscience.
The Olympic Project has changed their story about this shooting several times now.
For several months after November, their line was that they never went out to the shooting site.
Then they said that they did go to the shooting site 2 weeks later, and they found a chunk of Bigfoot flesh in the snow.
Now they say that only the shooter went back 2 weeks later and found the piece of flesh.
The story about going back later and finding a hunk of flesh strikes me as preposterous, and I don’t believe it.
In addition, the OP said for a long time after the shooting, “Let’s make one thing clear! There were no two Bigfoots shot and killed!”
But after I broke the story, they changed their line to saying that a man that the OP knows well did shoot and kill the two Bigfoot. But it’s worse than that, because the OP itself shot and killed two Bigfoots.
They say he shot the first one because it was a bear and the second one because it was threatening him.
Neither report is true. The shooter knew she was not a bear. His line is he thought she was threatening him.
The shooter was a passenger in the truck. They came around a bend, and there was a Bigfoot in the road on all fours. The shooter grabbed his gun and jumped out of his vehicle. As he jumped out, he saw the Bigfoot get up on two legs and start running towards him waving her arms at him. When the Bigfoot saw the gun, she turned and started to run away. The shooter shot her in the side of the chest, and the bullet penetrated her lungs.
She crashed off into the brush and died. The three men went down into the brush and saw her there. It was then that they realized that she was not a bear at all. They walked back up onto the road.
When they got to the road, they saw two small, strange creatures running towards them, sometimes on two legs, sometimes in four legs. The shooter raised his gun, fired and shot one of the creatures dead. The other small creature apparently escaped. As the shooter cradled the dying creatures in his arms, they all three realized that it was a young creature of the same type that got shot. The shooter did not shoot the young Bigfoot because it was threatening him. Apparently he just shot it for some unknown reason. At this point, they figured out that they had killed two Bigfoots.
The two men with the shooter were so hysterical and upset about the shootings that they took the shooter’s gun away from him and pointed it at him, threatening him. They told him that if he tried to shoot another one of those animals, they would shoot him instead. The story is that everyone was so upset by that point, that they left the area. The shooter said that they left the animals in the road. The shooter said he was not going back to the area until next fall.
There is a lot of fighting inside the Erickson Project. Adrian Erickson and Melba Ketchum are not getting along well. At least one reason is that Erickson paid Ketchum $70,000 for the sequencing of six possible Bigfoot samples. To this date, he has not received results from these samples. He did receive results from one DNA test, the test he had done on himself. Most of the principals had their own DNA tested.
Erickson had an agreement with Ketchum that if his Bigfoot samples tested out as coming from real Bigfoots, they would then be used in the final writeup. One or more of his samples were from real Bigfoots, but Ketchum is apparently threatening to not include them in her paper due to their falling out. So Erickson is threatening to sue her for violating their agreement.
Erickson has also threatened to sue a couple of other folks, including Dennis Pfohl, but I am not sure of the reason. Erickson is well liked, but he is also deeply respected. At the same time, most seem like they afraid of him. He has sunk $3 million into this project, and he is not going to get it back.
One great thing to come out of the release of the Erickson Project results is that maybe Bigfoot witnesses will not be so persecuted. Roger Patterson was not an honorable man, but he did shoot a real video a Bigfoot in California in 1967. He was so hounded by skeptics that they may have driven him to an early grave.
Bob Gimlin was so upset at the hounding that he more or less retreated from the public eye for over 20 years after the shooting of the video. He only came out in 1989. Gimlin is a tough man, but all of the attacks have still hurt him. Entire books and countless articles and Internet pieces have been written about how he hoaxed the famous video.
From Canada, word comes that Bigfoots are much more common around Indian communities than around non-Indians. It seems that Bigfoots are more comfortable around Indians than around non-Indians.
Updating a previous story, a trapper in McBride, British Colombia has told people that he was kidnapped by Bigfoots, who took him back to a cave and tried to make him have sex with a female Bigfoot. It’s an updated Albert Ostman story.
Another trapper somewhere in British Colombia is living by himself way out in the woods far away from anyone else. He is reportedly nearly living with a group of Bigfoots. He sees them every single day. This may possibly be the same man who says he was kidnapped by Bigfoots. The story should be followed up.
A previous post reported on some Canadians who dug up a muskeg and found a Bigfoot bone in it. It was a Bigfoot burial ground. In northern Canada, Bigfoots use muskegs as burial grounds. This particular muskeg was in northern Saskatchewan.
Co-founder of Cryptomundo in 2005.
I have appeared in or contributed to the following TV programs, documentaries and films:
OLN's Mysterious Encounters: "Caddo Critter", Southern Fried Bigfoot, Travel Channel's Weird Travels: "Bigfoot", History Channel's MonsterQuest: "Swamp Stalker", The Wild Man of the Navidad, Destination America's Monsters and Mysteries in America: Texas Terror - Lake Worth Monster, Animal Planet's Finding Bigfoot: Return to Boggy Creek and Beast of the Bayou.
I just want to be clear, however: Don’t shoot unless you know what you are shooting at. If it attacks like a beast (such as if the noisemaker sends it into a frenzy), then you would have no choice, and it would be the preferred method of killing it (assuming the noisemaker idea could work).
But be careful.
@Yukon red man
Thank you for bringing the issue of terminology to our attention.
You are exactly correct, the use of the word “bigfoot” should remain the journalistic slang that it is. On this site; why would we not want to use the correct, universally accepted term “sasquatch” in referring to the creature of great scientific interest to us. Since we like to think we are at least somewhat informed and scientifically bent, lets sound that way in the vocabulary we use. ATTENTION PLEASE MODERATORS.
I trotted over to Robert Lindsay’s page and realized something rather interesting. The arguments about the DNA from “Richard” and “Dr Ketchum” seem to be more about what they’ve found, rather than it being faked, or hoaxed. The only hoaxed or questionable thing they seem to agree on is the stories on how the evidence was gotten.
Maybe I am reading it wrong, but it strikes me they are fighting over the discovery, what it means and in the end it’s about who will get credit for it (although that is not said specifically but it is hinted by their argument). This is typical in science. Of course it could be staged, or they all could be reading too much into their finds.
I like Homo-Nocturnus
trapper9990:
None of the Ape’s known today can’t not reproduce even if they did mate, the whole humans smelling similar to Bigfoot and them using women to bolster their species is absurd; no species has used another in this way.
After reading the latest account (above) of what transpired at the kill scene I’m even more incredulous regarding the story as related by Robert Lindsay.
I suppose its very difficult to understand the atmosphere that surrounds sport hunting. Perhaps this post will shed some light onto what might be termed the “brotherhood” of sportsman which includes sport as well as subsistence hunters. I base this on a lifetime of ethical hunting, (which for the unenlightened might very well seem an oxymoron) as well; a lifetime of camaraderie with fellow sportsmen; some of which took place in small sporting goods shops, shooting meets,
and taxidermy shops etc.
The vast majority of hunters are good people which for whatever reason and very often due to a profound hereditary predisposition towards the hunter gatherer activities / life style, enjoy the great outdoors on a far deeper level than the typical weekend backpacker or hiker etc. Were this not so the average outdoorsman would live in the city and commute to the wilderness instead of the opposite being the case. The folks I’m referring to have to live adjacent or in the wilderness…they have to, they would perish emotionally and spiritually in a metropolitan setting. These same folks though have the same need for a network of friends and acquaintances as the normal metropolitan does. Hence the “clubhouse”, the taxidermy facility, the gunshop the shooting range and diner or truckstop. Yet as in any sociological setting; a hierarchy of participants is established. Unlike many “cliques”, usually in this case it’s the guy with the most honest integrity as measured by his success in business, his personal veracity and reputation and / or reputation in the workplace alongside his or her success in the field. (hunting/survival, trapping etc.). These same cliques show little sympathy for the liar, the boaster or charlatan of any description. I’ve seen guys publicly humiliated by such a group for just opening their mouths. This would include guys that brag about how many kills they made as well guys (or gals) that broke any of the tenements of proper hunting protocol, such as using an inappropriate weapon, not respecting the rules of fair chase, the killing of any animal with offspring, not being 100 % absolutely sure of your target before touching the safety, not abiding by conservation measures / laws and of course the taking of any animal wantonly, i.e. not utilizing the meat, hide etc. For real hunters the taking of any animal is a bittersweet experience and is not usually taken lightly. Many hunters have little ceremonies they conduct to celebrate the sanctity of the quarries life now extinguished. I for instance have several I use depending on the animal and circumstances, such as placing a sprig of hemlock in-between the deer’s teeth—often attendant; a few brief tears. The real world of hunting is to a great degree self policing, any game warden or conservation officer will attest to this fact.
The Bear Hunter as described by Lindsay is that of an individual who would not be welcome among any group of outdoorsmen or hunters. This in contradiction to Lindsay’s account. Yet to be explained is why he was allowed by his friends to shoot in the first place—wouldn’t of happened should I have been there. And again why would he be hunting there with a 25.06 in the first place? I reiterate: this smells of someone’s imagination, someone not experienced with the subject matter and its implications in the real world of hunting.
Paul78,
That’s at least a triple negative by my count.
Not sure what it is exactly you are stating…
I have decided to check in on this story again in a year. I willing to bet anyone 10 to 1 that it will still be nothing.
The psychological component of why people propagate such piffle is the only thing interesting about this stuff.
The idiocy of giving the proponents of such stupid and dull fiction the benefit of the doubt is always amusing.
Nothing new. A co-worker of mine insisted that it was documented that an American male kept a female chimpanzee as an exotic pet, got regularly randy with her (that’s another subject applicable to certain of the rural raised) and lo and behold she got pregnant. It was not made clear IF the pregnancy had in fact miscarried/spontaneously aborted or unnervingly “came to term”.
Then you have reports of European “Wildmen” within even the past Century still abducting human females, keeping them in a cave with a barrier rolled over the mouth to deter escape, bringing them mostly orchard raided fruits for liquid refreshment every day and ahem “having their way with them”.
Nazi “Dr. Mengele” scientist types regularly injected the “seed” of all manner of beasts into the genitals of Jewish women in the camps to see what possible “sub-human” hybrids they could possibly breed, not to mention the Kaiser’s colonial dream & Stalin’s totalitarian dream of building a hybrid ape-man labor force or army respectively.
No doubt some of this if successful to any degree is still classified material along with many other other secrets from WW2.
The accumulated evidence from eyewitness artistic recreations of encounters, the painting by the Russian researcher of the animal he witnessed (Almas?) & the NASI and other enhancements of the side facial profile of the Patty subject in the Patterson film indicate on average an appearance halfway between a gorilla and a brutish looking human quite often with a pronounced saggital peak. That makes the hybrid typical bigfoot barely appear to be on the ape-ish side of a giant morph of Australeopithecus Robustus or something akin. That is the hybrid with already varying levels of past generational interbred human female genetic contamination. The evidence does NOT support Homo erectus type as being the distant male “ape-like” creature that interbred with early Homo Sapiens to produce something approaching a proto-Neanderthal appearance.
The smallest Adult size female Southern Swamp Ape reported to be killed was nearly 7 feet tall and over 400 lbs. with pronounce eye brow ridges, solid hair covering and non-human teeth. Homo Erectus skulls have virtually no saggital crest and very human looking robust teeth. Tigers and lions interbreeding produce hybrids weighing at most double the weight. They do not produce 12 foot tall three thousand pound male true giants with no neck above the shoulders, of double or triple human male body builder proportional physique, with often reported non-human teeth and in the Midwest reported as in certain locals having a divergent big toe sticking out sideways & being 12 to 16 feet tall. Perhaps these isolated pockets are the remarkably free from human female DNA contamination source type that crossed the Bering Land Bridge.
Most interbreeding does not happen naturally, for example mules and Ligers are products of man. At this time i can think of only two natural cases of interbreeding, Neanderthals and Humans both share the same ancestor and the other is Growler bears which have occured as Polar Bears have moved south and breed with Grizzlys, this is because again Polar Bears are descended from a bottlenecked group of Brown bears that became the founder species that evolved into Polar bears. These have happened through contact with a similar enough species.
The point being it is difficult to except that a species such as bigfoot would forcibly take humans who are clearly visibily different, it just goes against evrything to me.
Not so, and I do hope the moderators bear with me so the obvious facts can be stated once and for all as delicately & briefly as possible. Even quadrapeds of far greater physiological differences than man will not infrequently attempt mating behavior with humans, even if having never witnessed mating behavior of its own species, or that of another species. Modern female scientists & primate researchers routinely tell of male chimpanzees & orangutans becoming sexually arroused & attempting mating with them, sometimes having to be rescued by male co-workers.
Example: canines mounting a man’s leg… let alone canines naturally(?) attempting the mounting of partially exposed human females who give off sexual pheromones detected much more dramatically by the far greater olfactory senses of animals when human females for whatever circumstance are down on their hands and knees. Such as Half-naked Indian maidens digging for roots on their hands and knees back in the Pre-Columbian days of North America. The ancient Amerindian traditions say that “Sasquatch like the smell of virgins”.
The historical record from all cultures is replete with accounts that once an animal has had a sexual encounter with a human (from the Roman Arena to Religion Codes) the animal will desire to attempt it again repeatedly – partly explaining why animals were also killed for sexual interaction with human beings. Even certain human males are reported to find caricatured cartoons of human females sexually arrousing such as “Jessica Rabbit”/anime which of course are of substantial qualatative difference from flesh & blood human females.
Enough on that.
So what do we likely have?
The ancient navigational maps copiled from more ancient map sources originating thousands of years BC indicate a Bering Land Bridge connection between current Alaska & Siberia of one thousand miles wide. So along with other gigantic Pleistocene Megafauna we have the more or less somewhat bipedal Gigantopithecus of China & the giant man-eating 12′ tall saggital crest form of the Yeti lone males driven out by the Alpha males or in small mated family pods bumbling their way into North America. The much weaker females have a higher mortality in childbirth & are easier prey for Cave Bears, Sabre-tooths, Dire Wolves, Panthera Atrox etc. thus leaving male lone Giganto & Yeti etc. with “eat, sleep, reproduce” drive. These creatures encounter a much more numerous population density of pre-Archaic Mound Builder hunter/gatherer Indians, Clovis Culture & North European & Scandinavian proto Early Bronze Age colonies looting as much as a half a million tons of Michigan pit mine copper with pre-Archaic Mound Builder Indian trade labor for shipping & barging along the Greenland Ice Cap back to Europe, Africa & The Middle East along with Druid/Stonehenge culture Tin mined in England.
What do you think happens when these lone male brown & black haired Megafauna bipedal animals encounter half naked smaller bipedal weak easily obtained brown & black haired bipedal Archaic Mound Builders, Clovis Culture, North European/Scandinan traders, who like the Phoenicians, brought women along for sexual use, colonization, & breeding children for child sacrifice “to appease the gods” for favorable commerce & voyages.
Perhaps in most all cases the mating didn’t result in pregnancy, perhaps in a few cases it resulted in infertile offspring such as the mule, and perhaps in the very rare case of fertile mules, the human-Giaganto/Giant form of the Yeti hybrid WAS fertile… resulting in what we have today in North America.
The implantation of ape sperm in a human donor female as reported above never happened.
In the 1920’s the Russian biologist Ilya Ivanovich Ivanov devised a series of experiments to create a chimp / human hybrid but it never ended in a pregnancy. In 1929 he attempted to inseminate a Ukrainian woman volunteer but this experiment ended in failure early due to his last orangutan dieing before sperm could be harvested and ultimately the entire protocol fell into harsh and widespread criticism by the Russian government. In fact Ivanov was exiled to Kazakh where he found work in a veterinary clinic until his death a couple of years later. In spite of modern folk-pseudoscience a viable pregnancy of a primate and a human has never been verified. Recently a made for television docudrama has featured the exceptional chimpanzee “Oliver”, raising the question of human / chimp hybridization once again but to the programs credit; the reports of “Oliver” being more than a chimp were discounted. Again; there has never been a rDNA (or nDNA) verified case of Ape /human hybridization.
Indeed; If you’re going to make fantastic statements and present them as fact…lets all see the facts surrounding the issue or subject, or the evidence.
Speculating on any topic such as this; and, as well, writing as if certain anecdotal unverified, uncorroborated reports of 7’ swamp apes, Neolithics abducted women etc. were a foregone fact is counterproductive to all areas of science and contrary to any scientific method. There are too many folks out there looking for any means possible to discredit the field of cryptozoology. Lets not give them additional warranted reason to dismiss our writings as so much illogical fantasy.