Secrets of Room N008

Posted by: Loren Coleman on July 30th, 2008

You remember the scene from the end of the first Indiana Jones movie? Recall the endless rows of boxes in storage in that secret warehouse?

Of course, the reality is that most large museums around the world actually do have such storage areas.


The “outfront” exhibits at most museums are impressive. But, for example, I was reminded quickly in Alberta, once again, that less than 10% of the holdings of a museum are what the public sees.


The Columbian mammoth is on exhibit in Alberta with other Pleistocene mammals.

When I visited the Royal Alberta Museum, the director of Communications, Marketing & Education Chris Robinson and museum director Bruce McGillivray gave me a behind-the-scenes tour of the mysterious Room N008.

One of the first things that hits you when you come into this oversized, bright, clean room is the shelves upon shelves of specimens – fossils, skulls, mounted heads, and taxidermy mounts. There’s enough in there for a few museums. But that’s the point, right?


Part of the mission of any museum is study and research. So, for example, while the rows of bison skulls – fossil and contemporary – hardly would make for a good exhibit, they have a storehouse of information for researchers, especially those interested in Pleistocene bison and current wood bison.


I also noticed, immediately, besides regional specimens one might find in Alberta, the museum housed a lot of exotic mounts. I asked Chris Robinson to fill me in.

He informed me that the bulk of the natural history specimens in N008 were donated to the province by Eric Lafferty Harvie (1892-1975), a prominent Alberta oilman and lawyer. The 63,000 item-strong collection is named the Riveredge Foundation Collection.

Eric Harvie formed the Glenbow Foundation in 1955. Spurred by a strong interest in collecting material relating to the history of western Canada, Harvie collected books, art, documents, records, manuscripts, and objects that traced the material history of early settlers and Aboriginal peoples in Alberta.

Harvie’s collection, however, expanded beyond Alberta’s borders to include the art and culture of the world. In 1966 his collection became the Glenbow-Alberta Institute. The Government of Alberta built the Glenbow Museum in 1976. Eventually, with the evolution of the institutions, through the provincial museum to the royal museum, the collection ended up in N008.

It was clear from what I could see in my overview that the holdings were incredible.


Walls were covered with trophy heads and taxidermy items were on several rows of shelves.


Over in the corner, one might find a huge Galapagos tortoise.


Turn around, look under a sheet of plastic, and there’s a baby musk ox.


Meanwhile, back in the general public spaces, I saw what happened to some of the Room N008 residents.


A few back area specimens find their way, now and then, upfront. For instance, the majestic wood bison, above, is unassumingly presented in a public corner. This wood bison is notable as it is on display, uncelebrated for the great mammal it is, being re-discovered only in 1959. It is before a wall that was to have a habitat painting on it but the money ran out. You will note that a cowbird is on its back; a detail I found to be very cool. (Plans are afoot to bring the wood bison more into the fore, in the future renewal of the museum.)

Back in N008, there appears to be the hint of hidden treasures. Dr. Jim Butler told me that only recently, when a giant ground sloth specialist visited the museum he found three fossil bones of the ground sloth kicking around in a collection of uncatalogued Alberta fossil bones.


The room contains many items that have been brought up from local Pleistocene digs.

What’s this skull? (Answer at the bottom.)

Over in the corner, director McGillivray pointed out an old mount, which he jokingly said might be seen by some as an unknown cryptid, because the taxidermy showed such a scary presentation. He extracted it from the wall, and we used it as an example of what we could find out about any one object.


It certainly looked frightening, although, of course, we all knew it was hardly a “great mystery canid.” Still, we probed further into its background.

Chris Robinson recorded the exact notes on “the mounted fox head,” which was sitting next to the Galapagos tortoise. It had the following notation on it:

ACC#450 – FOX
R100 603
Swain’s Park
Wednesday, November 13, 1895.

Chris Robinson then forwarded this to me: “I’ll see if our collection manager can dig up anything further. I think the fox perhaps looks stranger that he should, given the peeling paint in the mouth and the chipped teeth, and 113 years on a board in a basement likely didn’t help his complexion any either.”

Robinson soon emailed back with this:

“It was part of the Riveredge Foundation accession that was acquired in 1979. Most of these types of old European trophy mounts originated from the Duke of Bedford collection, which Harvie likely acquired through auction. Atherstone is the town and Swain’s Park is probably the named wood near there.”

I researched this further, and did find there is a tradition called the “Atherstone Hunt,” even with its own special “button,” (shown below).


I learned that the Atherstone fox hunt extends 24 miles north to south and 18 miles east to west, covering parts of Leicestershire and Warwickshire and small areas of Staffordshire and Derbyshire.

The hunt dates from 1804, during the Mastership of Squire Osbaldeston (1815-1817) the present country of the Atherstone was defined. Between 1930 and 1950 the hunt was divided.

The Master and hunt staff wear distinctive red jackets with white collars and blue collars for lady members, the evening dress jacket is red with gorge de pigeon (grey facings).

So, while some mysteries may exist in various museum storage rooms like N008 around the globe, a lot of the bizarre looking mounts in the back room could merely hide some mundane human activity, like a fox hunt.

Meanwhile, I’m not done with the Royal Alberta Museum. There’s some separate bird stories I learned there that I want to share at another time. After all, museum director Bruce McGillivray is, first and foremost, an internationally-recognized birder (he authored the following book) and more tales are to be told.


Answer to the mystery skull: Darren Naish says, “It’s definitely a mylodontid sloth, and it looks like it could be Paramylodon (specimens of which are often labelled as Glossotherium).”

Wikipedia has this to add about the ground sloths: “Cryptozoologists often identify the mapinguari, a mythical forest creature of the upper Amazon basin, with a surviving tropical ground sloth or folk memory of these animals.” 🙂


Harlan’s Ground Sloth (Paramylodon harlani), a mylodontid, skeleton shown.


Paramylodon reconstruction.

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Loren Coleman About Loren Coleman
Loren Coleman is one of the world’s leading cryptozoologists, some say “the” leading living cryptozoologist. Certainly, he is acknowledged as the current living American researcher and writer who has most popularized cryptozoology in the late 20th and early 21st centuries. Starting his fieldwork and investigations in 1960, after traveling and trekking extensively in pursuit of cryptozoological mysteries, Coleman began writing to share his experiences in 1969. An honorary member of Ivan T. Sanderson’s Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained in the 1970s, Coleman has been bestowed with similar honorary memberships of the North Idaho College Cryptozoology Club in 1983, and in subsequent years, that of the British Columbia Scientific Cryptozoology Club, CryptoSafari International, and other international organizations. He was also a Life Member and Benefactor of the International Society of Cryptozoology (now-defunct). Loren Coleman’s daily blog, as a member of the Cryptomundo Team, served as an ongoing avenue of communication for the ever-growing body of cryptozoo news from 2005 through 2013. He returned as an infrequent contributor beginning Halloween week of 2015. Coleman is the founder in 2003, and current director of the International Cryptozoology Museum in Portland, Maine.

10 Responses to “Secrets of Room N008”

  1. dogu4 responds:

    Thanks, Loren. Possibly the best “Behind the Scenes” tour I’ve had, and proof that a fresh pair of eyes is the best asset any cryptozoologist can have. Cheers.

  2. sluggo responds:

    What an interesting tour. Thanks.

  3. jayman responds:

    Fascinating… unrecognized bigfoot bones may well be languishing in a crate in a museum collection somewhere.

  4. Lightning Orb responds:

    Very cool. Though I’m not sure I’m convinced the mapinguari was just a ground sloth – weren’t some of the legendary beasts supposed to have one cyclopsian eye? (I don’t suppose that large chazm in the front of the skull could possibly have held a centered eye? Then again, I suppose a huge black nose could have been mistaken for an eye) Considering a somewhat recent discussion of how some collections tend to get abused after the collector has died, it’s good to know some make it to museums and such.

  5. MJpacker responds:

    One best times I every had when I was a kid was to explore my grandfathers storeroom. The treasure I found. I wish we had backroom unresticted access to some of biggest and oldest museums, the things long forgotten would very surprizing.

  6. Veronica responds:

    I go to the Royal Alberta Museum quite often since it’s located in the same city where I live, and it’s really cool to see behind the scenes, and look at the backroom; it makes me wish I could go there myself.

  7. joppa responds:

    Somewhere in the vast bone collection of a University Anthropology Department, State or Private Museum, National Natural History Collection, The Smithsonian, The British Museum, Russian Archives or any other “Collection”, lies a box of bones, labeled “Unknown Hominid”. Another box contains a rotting furry pelt – “Unknown Ape”, and another has undeveloped photographic plates labeled “Mystery Mammal”. There it sits waiting, waiting for the janitor or night watch to knock it over and…… Eureka.

  8. AlbertaSasquatch responds:

    Wow Loren, awesome behind the scenes of the RAM. I never knew there were so many gems to be discovered there. I just wanted to say your lecture was great and very informative and that I enjoyed it immensely. I have already read all three books that I bought from you. Once again, THANK YOU for signing all of my books and especially for signing my Patty cast. Also thanks for really bringing to light the wood bison. As someone who has lived in Alberta all of my life, I never really thought about how important a discovery it was when they found this species. Anyways it was great to meet you Loren and I hope you enjoyed your time in this beautiful province of ours. Cheers!

  9. Lightning Orb responds:

    …so long as your night watch doesn’t knock over the wrong crate and get fire and brimstone… 🙂

  10. nzcryptozoologist responds:

    It is interesting what lays in wait in museum basements, thats initially how the Kawekaweau – Hopolodactylus delcourti – the New Zealand Giant Gecko was discovered.
    It lay in a Museum basement in Marseille France until it was rediscovered in 1986.
    It makes you wunder just what remains in some corner of some museum just waiting rediscovery.

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